13 Sep 15
Originally posted by sonshipThe thing going on here is a lot of Christians seem to think being gay is some kind of choice, like a 10 yo girl starts thinking of boys then just suddenly, you know, I think I am going to like girls. Or a 10 yo jock football player just meeting girls goes, well they are nice but I think I am going to like guys more.
How do you know that all this is not a real GOOD sign for normal Christian disciples ?
You seem to think that declining numbers of counted Christians is some kind of significant statistic.
It could be a very positive sign that more people are withdrawing from degraded or deformed branches of Christiandom in order to seek deeper reality in Christ.
...[text shortened]... hrough God's faithfulness and power.
Go ahead and read the story - [b]Judges 6:1 - 8:32.[/b]
It doesn't work like that and no amount of mealy mouth Christian, Jewish, or Muslim rhetoric otherwise will not change the fact that gay people don't chose to be gay, it is just another variation of what it is to be human, it always was and always will be between 2 and 5 percent of the population no matter what stigma, death penalties, jail term, pray away the gay or whatever, nothing will change that except a change in the world community simply accepting that gays are going to be around no matter what. There is no injection you can give that will make a lesbian love men or gay men love women. It just won't happen and the problem is 100% with the religious and legal community refusing to accept that norm of human behavior not ANYTHING to do with the gay community.
Like this assshole bitch in Kentucky refusing to give out marriage licenses to gays even though the supreme court has ruled in the favor of gay marriage.
This female idiot is stopping gay marriage because it goes against her belief's. The problem is, society has passed her and every other gay basher behind and they are the relics of religious bigotry and the sooner the rest of the religious community comes to terms with that the less fuss there will be made about gay marriage and they just accept it as the new norm and no big deal any more. That is what is coming no matter HOW much anti-gay rhetoric comes out of churches, synagogue or temple or Imam edict. It is all this nasty symptom of the human race growing up on its own and religion cannot have that. They WANT people at each others throats so their political power can grow unbounded as it has over the last thousand years. Can't have people actually thinking things through for themselves, now can we.
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Originally posted by FMFI have no second source of that account. I never sought one.
Do you have any other historical sources that corroborate the story? Maybe a full picture of what actually happened to "Gideon's little army" and its enemies can be pieced together.
But while we're on that matter could you bring another Christian to this Forum to corroborate your testimony that you use to be a disciple of Jesus Christ ?
Preferably this would be best if the one corroborating your story is presently still a Christian.
Originally posted by sonshipI post here as a non-Christian. It is of no consequence to me if you do not believe I used to be a Christian ~ just as it is of no consequence to you that some people are not convinced by what you say about "Gideon's little army" or by what you say this piece of ancient Hebrew folklore means to the human race in the C21st.
But while we're on that matter could you bring another Christian to this Forum to corroborate your testimony that you use to be a disciple of Jesus Christ ?
14 Sep 15
Originally posted by sonshipDoesn't the 'historian' in you balk at this? You are claiming that the account of things like the genocide of the Canaanites and "Gideon's little army" are entirley and literally historical ~ yes? ~ and part of the most important historical narrative that mankind has ever contemplated, right? You assert that the "evidence" you present is incontrovertible, am I right?
I have no second source of that account. I never sought one.
Originally posted by sonshipcompelling viewing, 26 studies, up to 46 percent of the persons in adoption by gay couples engaged in homosexual behavior, a huge environmental factor.
[b] Are People Born Gay? Genetic and Epigenetic Determinism in Homosexuality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mkjaP3HEO8[/b]
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Originally posted by FMFIt is of no consequence to me if you do not believe I used to be a Christian
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And it is of no consequence to me that you do not believe the account of Gideon in the book of Judges.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSounds like you watched the whole video. I wish others would.
compelling viewing, 26 studies, up to 46 percent of the persons in adoption by gay couples engaged in homosexual behavior, a huge environmental factor.
I am working my way through this one. His thesis includes that disdain for gays has become synonymous for the Christian faith. How did this happen ?
Homosexuality: Compassion and Clarity
14 Sep 15
Originally posted by sonshipI watched it up to the point where he started talking about his outreach program and acting like Jesus. The science was compelling although I found myself squirming when he started to get emotional.
Sounds like you watched the whole video. I wish others would.
I am working my way through this one. His thesis includes that disdain for gays has become synonymous for the Christian faith. How did this happen ?
[b] Homosexuality: Compassion and Clarity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7a2RJgAGcM[/b]
Originally posted by sonshipIsn't that pretty much what I said to you?
And it is of no consequence to me that you do not believe the account of Gideon in the book of [b]Judges.[/b]
Why did you edit it out of what you quoted me as having said it to you and then say it to me as if I hadn't said it to you? Very odd.
14 Sep 15
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo you don't like or agree with the stuff I post, is that what you're getting at? 😉
No, I was thinking more along the lines of...
"an empty, voluble, pretentious talker."
The British version isn't too far off, either...
"a voluble person who has little of interest to communicate."
14 Sep 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHe was just making it up. Quotes like 'A scientist told me ..´' ect
compelling viewing, 26 studies, up to 46 percent of the persons in adoption by gay couples engaged in homosexual behavior, a huge environmental factor.
I can't find any reference to these 26 studies using google.
Another rubbish youtube film with 'Comments are disabled for this video'
14 Sep 15
Originally posted by biffo konkerNo that is logically fallacious, because the fact that he does not cite the 26 studies by name, or by author does not necessitate that he fabricated their existence and lets be clear it would be a very tedious lecture if he did cite every single source would it not? So you are also being unreasonable. He does cite the author of several studies and the New England Medical Journal more than once. Your comments therefore have no basis in reality, he was not making it up. The science was compelling, the logic unassailable and that you could not find these 26 studies does not mean that they do not exists, it simply means you cannot find them.
He was just making it up. Quotes like 'A scientist told me ..´' ect
I can't find any reference to these 26 studies using google.
Another rubbish youtube film with 'Comments are disabled for this video'