14 Sep 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre links to the studies provided?
its clear that you have not watched the video. there are studies which reference the alleged biological factors for homosexuality some of whose authors are cited and there are studies which make reference to the environmental factors, i cannot recall if there authors are cited. watch the video and you will know.
14 Sep 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt means google cannot find them.He said 'We have 26 studies' .He did not say where from.
No that is logically fallacious, because the fact that he does not cite the 26 studies by name, or by author does not necessitate that he fabricated their existence and lets be clear it would be a very tedious lecture if he did cite every single source would it not? So you are also being unreasonable. He does cite the author of several studies and t ...[text shortened]... nd these 26 studies does not mean that they do not exists, it simply means you cannot find them.
He does name drop 'The New England Medical Journal' but that was on another subject altogether.
Originally posted by biffo konkerreally google cant find studies in homsexulaity and environmentalism? i found About 795 results (0.56 seconds). No he reiterates the findings of the New England medical journal and draws certain conclusions on its basis. Look Biffo, either refute the data or not, all this sniping at the side is undignified.
It means google cannot find them.He said 'We have 26 studies' .He did not say where from.
He does name drop 'The New England Medical Journal' but that was on another subject altogether.
14 Sep 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI gather my two cents worth were worth just two cents since apparently Christians cannot believe homosexuality is not a choice.
really google cant find studies in homsexulaity and environmentalism? i found About 795 results (0.56 seconds). No he reiterates the findings of the New England medical journal and draws certain conclusions on its basis. Look Biffo, either refute the data or not, all this sniping at the side is undignified.
14 Sep 15
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo explain why there is this 2 to 5 percent of every population on the planet becoming gay? If there was no biological cause, some cultures would have zero gays and some a lot.
Biological determinism is pretty much busted.
I think the 'gay is learned' thing is a strict religious backdrop to the whole issue, they can't accept any kind of biological cause for homosexuality. That is it in a nutshell. It is the religious set's problem not the gay's. Gay is going to be around no matter what the religious set says or does.
Take a look at this article:
http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2014/11/study-gay-brothers-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality
15 Sep 15
Originally posted by FreakyKBHIf you choose to label the observations and questions ~ that I insert into holes in the ghastly ideology that some religionists here peddle ~ as "wedges", all that really means is that you disagree with my views.
Mostly.
But I find your penchant for driving wedges most annoying.
Plus, you're super tedious (or so I have heard).
Originally posted by sonhouseNo one has stated that biological factors may not have some contributing element but the idea that its solely and exclusively biological factors which determine a persons behaviour, sexual, gay or otherwise is busted. Of this two to five percent that you mention, fifty percent may be bisexual, a difficult problem for you to overcome if you are prepared to state that this is the result of a purely biologic determinant, unless of course you have found evidence of a bisexual genetic component and thus when one examines the logic for the claims it becomes readily apparent that biologic determinism is pretty much busted as a sole determinant.
So explain why there is this 2 to 5 percent of every population on the planet becoming gay? If there was no biological cause, some cultures would have zero gays and some a lot.
I think the 'gay is learned' thing is a strict religious backdrop to the whole issue, they can't accept any kind of biological cause for homosexuality. That is it in a nutshell. It ...[text shortened]... ws.sciencemag.org/biology/2014/11/study-gay-brothers-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality
No what you have stated with regard to religious people and a biological element is untrue. If you watch the video the lecturer clearly states that there is a biological element and provides a compelling argument that it cannot be considered as a causation because philosophically predetermination is not the same as causation that is why people who commit rape cannot claim the defence of high testosterone levels and they get put in jail.
If you have evidence that the data is refuted and there is no environmental factor then produce it now, if you do not then it seems that your anti-religious stance has prejudiced you in a kind of ultimate irony, all things considered.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you think the biological factors contributing to homosexual orientation [that you are acknowledging are a factor in your post above, albeit not solely and exclusively contributory] can be absent in a person who then nevertheless goes on to live his or her life as a homosexual?
No one has stated that biological factors may not have some contributing element but the idea that its solely and exclusively biological factors which determine a persons behaviour, sexual, gay or otherwise is busted..
15 Sep 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat data?
really google cant find studies in homsexulaity and environmentalism? i found About 795 results (0.56 seconds). No he reiterates the findings of the New England medical journal and draws certain conclusions on its basis. Look Biffo, either refute the data or not, all this sniping at the side is undignified.
'compelling viewing, 26 studies, up to 46 percent of the persons in adoption by gay couples engaged in homosexual behavior, a huge environmental factor.'
This 'data',that you are so happy with,does not exist.
Originally posted by Captain StrangeAnd therein lies the problem. They cannot accept the absolute fact that probably at least half of all gays are NOT choices but some kind of biological edict that points a person's sexuality one way and not the other. Of course some gay's get that way say, by example of a relative, or first sexual contact and so forth but there is undeniably a genetic component that will never go away but religious folks have a mind set against them just like the OT edict not to eat pork, which we now know full well why not, because of a stupid parasite. But it made it into a religious text anyway, which is nothing more than human's saying, something is wrong here, don't know what it is, but you better not (insert the dogma of the day) Eat pork, NEVER become gay, you will go to hell, It's ok for women to be worth less than men, etc.
Many churches run courses that claim to cure gayness.