13 Mar 15
Originally posted by DeepThoughtI believe when we paint God as we do a human and try to hold God to our
R.J., it's a little difficult to know where to start with that statement. If your God is virtuous then the genocides cannot have been sanctioned by him. If the genocides were not sanctioned by him then the histories in the Bible are just that, histories. Further it means that what you are reading as divine judgement is in fact human propaganda. So in ...[text shortened]... le is not solely the word of God. So, I put it to you that your reading of the Bible is flawed.
standards we are really not grasping the universe as is! God when it comes
to your death, my death, and everyone else death sets the time limits, He
can alter that time if He wants, He appoints a time for each of us to die, and
then we get judged by God. Now humans do not do that the same way, we
can take a life, but we didn't start it, we didn't form it in their mother's
womb, we didn't have a plan for it before it was born like God. So to say
that we can hold God to man's standards is really missing who God is
completely in my opinion.
13 Mar 15
Originally posted by DeepThoughtNo, it stressed to the world that he came as a man, the scriptures call all of
Was that said by him or of him? In the Gospels he repeatedly refers to himself of the 'son of man'. I think this was a way of mocking the Romans as the Emperor styled himself Tiberius Caesar Divi Augusti filius Augustus, the English equivalent would be roughly Tiberius Caesar, Son of the God Augustus, Emperor. It's not clear to me that the styl ...[text shortened]... e Roman Principes. I think there is an argument to be made which I'll do in the following post.
us gods (small g) he was kicking Satan's butt as a man the whole time He
was here.
13 Mar 15
Originally posted by DeepThoughtI shall leave that judgment to God.
R.J., it's a little difficult to know where to start with that statement. If your God is virtuous then the genocides cannot have been sanctioned by him. If the genocides were not sanctioned by him then the histories in the Bible are just that, histories. Further it means that what you are reading as divine judgement is in fact human propaganda. So in ...[text shortened]... le is not solely the word of God. So, I put it to you that your reading of the Bible is flawed.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!
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13 Mar 15
Originally posted by RJHindsI thought this whole free will thing was about chosing to (not) obey your non-existent god. Surely it doesn't mean you're free to child abuse? What crazy logic is that?
But then, there goes free-will for everyone. 😏
I am your god almighty. Here me! You are free to choose to go with me, or you can abuse children at will. These two are totally connected issues. I have spoken. Let it be so.
A god could (or so you'd think) allow a person free will to choose to obey him, and protect innocent people from the actions of those who choose not to obey him, at the same time. Only a non-existing god would need defending with a free will argument. Seriously.
13 Mar 15
Originally posted by C HessBut if you choose to use your free will to abuse children, then you are also choosing to spend the rest of eternity being tormented in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone. They go together, in case you don't get that. 😏
I thought this whole free will thing was about chosing to (not) obey your non-existent god. Surely it doesn't mean you're free to child abuse? What crazy logic is that?
I am your god almighty. Here me! You are free to choose to go with me, or you can abuse children at will. These two are totally connected issues. I have spoken. Let it be so.
A god could ...[text shortened]... he same time. Only a non-existing god would need defending with a free will argument. Seriously.
13 Mar 15
Originally posted by C Hess"Only a non-existing god would need defending with a free will argument. Seriously."
I thought this whole free will thing was about chosing to (not) obey your non-existent god. Surely it doesn't mean you're free to child abuse? What crazy logic is that?
I am your god almighty. Here me! You are free to choose to go with me, or you can abuse children at will. These two are totally connected issues. I have spoken. Let it be so.
A god could ...[text shortened]... he same time. Only a non-existing god would need defending with a free will argument. Seriously.
You see a non-existing god here defending anything?
13 Mar 15
Originally posted by JS357It depends on what you are arguing for.
The entire basis of morality and justice depends on the concept of free will. How can free will be a bs argument?
And I disagree that morality and justice depend on the concept of free will (depending on how 'free will' is defined.)
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13 Mar 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou're right, of course. Assuming that this god of theirs wants us to be able to choose for ourselves (whatever that means) whether or not to defy him, he would have to give us the chance to choose, and therefore wait until the very last moment before he strikes down a person who wishes to harm someone innocent.
Err, no. An existing god of compassion and mercy would not let you do it in the first place, or even make you in such a way that you would want to do it.
This is all assuming that god doesn't know what you'll choose until the very last moment, which itself speaks to how illogical it is for an all-knowing, all-wise god-being to "test" his creation. Surely he knows the outcome right at the start?
I do not understand how anyone falls for this free will excuse of an argument in the first place. If there's anything that should make clear the non-existence of a merciful god, it is the innocent's suffering in the world (especially considering suffering caused by random natural disasters).