Free Will

@divegeester said
I’m not interested in it.

Why not?

If your goal is to bring people to Christ - instead of driving them away - why wouldn’t you be interested in correcting what you apparently see as a flaw in Christian doctrine and promoting the much more palatable alternative of annihilationism?

@plantermoo said
That doesn’t answer my question as to why divegeester doesn’t promote or start a thread on annihilationism instead of obsessively and repetitively writing that God “burns people alive for eternity.” He’s clearly, imo, trying to drive people away from God and the salvation found in Christ.

Why divegeester doesn’t promote or start a thread on annihilationism instead of obsessively and repetitively writing that God “burns people alive for eternity.” He’s clearly, imo, trying to drive people away from God...

Expressing incredulity and scorn for the all-too-prevalent torturer God ideology, if anything, is going to appeal to those who find the ideology morally repulsive and an obstruction to belief ~ and not, as you suggest, "drive people away from God". You've got it exactly the wrong way around.

@plantermoo said
Why not?

The subject holds no interest for me, I don’t know why, probably because it’s not interesting enough.

@plantermoo said
If your goal is to bring people to Christ - instead of driving them away - why wouldn’t you be interested in correcting what you apparently see as a flaw in Christian doctrine and promoting the much more palatable alternative of annihilationism?

If your goal is to bring people to Christ - instead of driving them away...

Ridiculing the moral nonsense of eternal torture is not an act of driving people away unless those people are attracted by the doctrine of eternal torture and do not care for the ridicule.

@fmf said
Why divegeester doesn’t promote or start a thread on annihilationism instead of obsessively and repetitively writing that God “burns people alive for eternity.” He’s clearly, imo, trying to drive people away from God...

Expressing incredulity and scorn for the all-too-prevalent torturer God ideology, if anything, is going to appeal to those who find the ideology morally ...[text shortened]... ~ and not, as you suggest, "drive people away from God". You've got it exactly the wrong way around.

But he’s not “expressing incredulity and scorn for the all-too-prevalent torturer God ideology.” He’s simply repeating it over and over again. He’s not saying it’s wrong. He’s not expressing scorn for it. He’s simply repeating it over and over again.

@plantermoo said
If your goal is to bring people to Christ - instead of driving them away - why wouldn’t you be interested in correcting what you apparently see as a flaw in Christian doctrine and promoting the much more palatable alternative of annihilationism?

No one here promotes it, although I think Suzianne believes in it. I don’t think it’s a doctrine which is a particular issue so I’m not interested in it.

I don’t come to this website to either bring people to Christ and I certainly don’t drive them away.

Are you going to again drop your guard and tell how I’ve been driving people away from Christ with my posting in th3 last few years, when you’ve only been here a week? 🙂

@plantermoo said
He’s simply repeating it over and over again. He’s not saying it’s wrong. He’s not expressing scorn for it. He’s simply repeating it over and over again.

When did I last start a thread on it?

@plantermoo said
But he’s not “expressing incredulity and scorn for the all-too-prevalent torturer God ideology.”

Yes, he is. And he's been doing it for 15 years. Steadfastly and effectively in the face of opposition from people here who propagate the torturer God ideology.

@fmf said
If your goal is to bring people to Christ - instead of driving them away...

Ridiculing the moral nonsense of eternal torture is not an act of driving people away unless those people are attracted by the doctrine of eternal torture and do not care for the ridicule.

But he doesn’t ridicule it. He just repeats that God “burns people alive for eternity” over and over and over again.

It’s obvious what he’s doing - and I suspect he’ll answer for it one day.

@fmf said
Yes, he is. And he's been doing it for 15 years. Steadfastly and effectively in the face of opposition from people here who propagate the torturer God ideology.

No he isn’t and no he hasn’t.

@plantermoo said
But he doesn’t ridicule it. He just repeats that God “burns people alive for eternity” over and over and over again.

It’s obvious what he’s doing - and I suspect he’ll answer for it one day.

My first post in this thread is lampooning the idea of a torturer god, did you read it?

@plantermoo said
No he isn’t and no he hasn’t.

Yes I have.

@plantermoo said
But he’s not “expressing incredulity and scorn for the all-too-prevalent torturer God ideology.” He’s simply repeating it over and over again. He’s not saying it’s wrong. He’s not expressing scorn for it. He’s simply repeating it over and over again.

He’s not saying it’s wrong.

Yes, he is. He's argued for years that it's morally incoherent.

He’s not expressing scorn for it.

Of course, he is.

He’s simply repeating it over and over again.

Well, things do get repeated over and over again on this forum. You have simply repeated things over and over again stretching back to 2018

@plantermoo said
But he doesn’t ridicule it. He just repeats that God “burns people alive for eternity” over and over and over again.

It’s obvious what he’s doing - and I suspect he’ll answer for it one day.

I suspect he’ll answer for it one day

In what way?

@plantermoo said
But he doesn’t ridicule it. He just repeats that God “burns people alive for eternity” over and over and over again.

He just repeats that God “burns people alive for eternity” over and over and over again.

He doesn't claim that God “burns people alive for eternity”. He points out that there are Christians here and all around the world who believe God “burns people alive for eternity”, and he has participated in countless threads where its moral incoherence has been discussed in detail.