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You are free to speculate about what that "vested interest" of mine might supposedly be. But I don't see how it will ever help you sell your torturer God ideology to non-believers.
Discribing "your torturing God" may also be a device based on your vested interest in self exemption from accountability.
Couldn't one convicted rationalize that the Judge is a torture?
A policeman pulls you aside for speeding in a residential area where others are endangered by reckless driving. Might not you being the offending driver rationalize that the policeman is a torturer who sadistically stopped you from doing what you darn well pleased to do?
Isn't it possible to just attack the character of whoever you do not want to be accountable to?
11 Mar 21
@sonship said"Accountability" to whom, sonship? And why on Earth would I be tortured? And how come you can't demonstrate any of this to be real?
Discribing "your torturing God" may also be a device based on your vested interest in self exemption from accountability.
11 Mar 21
@sonship saidNo. Not at all. I think you're being very silly. You are pretending not to know what kind of torture the word torturer - in the term torturer god - refers to.
A policeman pulls you aside for speeding in a residential area where others are endangered by reckless driving. Might not you being the offending driver rationalize that the policeman is a torturer who sadistically stopped you from doing what you darn well pleased to do?
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@sonship saidThe god figure you believe in tortures people for their lack of belief, apparently, and this forms the very basis of your ideology, hence the term: the torturer god ideology.
Discribing "your torturing God" may also be a device based on your vested interest in self exemption from accountability.
As for me, I am accountable to my wife and my children, to my neighbours, to my community, to my city, and to the laws of the land, not to mention accountable to myself by way of my conscience and moral compass.
You seem to think you are accountable to a god figure who is not going to torture you but he is going to torture me.
11 Mar 21
@sonship saidHere is my answer again from the previous page. You sidestepped it and talked about something else. Here, have another go:
ow do we know that you would not have a vested interest in NOT acknowledging such a person if they had existed?
You are free to speculate about what that "vested interest" of mine might supposedly be. But I don't see how it will ever help you sell your torturer God ideology to non-believers.
Do you?
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Yes.
We are both free to speculate the validity of each other's statements.
Since you are gracious to allow me to consider the possibility, I don't see why I should not consider it.
There are probably some convicted criminals who consider that society is torturing them by their incarceration.
I will take advantage of your gracious offer to speculate and speculate the possibility that "torturer God" is device you employ to devalue the character of an authority whom you deem detestable for having any say about what you want to do with immunity.
Its a possibility. And some honest atheists have admitted as much.
Ie.
I had motive for not wanting the world to have a meaning; consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics, he is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do, or why his friends should not seize political power and govern in the way that they find most advantageous to themselves. . . . For myself, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation, sexual and political.- Aldous Huxley
https://answersingenesis.org/world-religions/atheism/aldous-huxley-admits-motive-for-anti-theistic-bias/
11 Mar 21
@sonship saidHave you ever had anything to do with the victims of serious burns or experienced your skin and flesh being burned by fire, sonship? Let me just cut through your facetious counting-angels-on-the-head-of-pin posturing.
There are probably some convicted criminals who consider that society is torturing them by their incarceration.
11 Mar 21
@sonship saidOnce again, the issue is not the supposed "character" of a being that exists in your imagination. The issue is the moral incoherence of the ideology you espouse as a result of your belief in that being.
I will take advantage of your gracious offer to speculate and speculate the possibility that "torturer God" is device you employ to devalue the character of an authority whom you deem detestable for having any say about what you want to do with immunity.
11 Mar 21
@sonship saidI have written 100,000 words on morality here on threads you may have read. What "vested interests" do you think I have talked about when it comes to issues of morality? What bad stuff is it you speculate I do aside from not share your religious beliefs?
I am not saying you are identical in attitude to Huxley.
I am free to speculate (as you grant) and ask, maybe you have a vested interest in an anti-theist or atheist or agnostic/atheist world view.
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Is there any particular reason why I should assume you, unlike the rest of us, have lived a perfect life?
11 Mar 21
@fmf saidIf we are created then it means there must be a creator God.
God is the mystery surrounding our origin.
Mystery surrounds our origin: this mystery exists.
Therefore God exists.
How am I doing?
We know that 40 authors wrote the Bible over a period of 1,500 years.
So the Bible must be the correct account of the creator God.