21 Aug 05
Originally posted by Checkmate187No, I'm afraid it doesn't. That would only account for manmade evils (although that could be debated). It utterly fails to account for natural evils. Free will is just a copout that theist's use to try to shift the blame for the existence of evil from god to man.
Two words for you all...
Free will.
This answers alot of the questions here.
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21 Aug 05
Originally posted by rwingettWhat would be your definition of evil?
No, I'm afraid it doesn't. That would only account for manmade evils (although that could be debated). It utterly fails to account for natural evils. Free will is just a copout that theist's use to try to shift the blame for the existence of evil from god to man.
21 Aug 05
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Originally posted by checkbaitere·vil
What would be your definition of evil?
adj., e·vil·er, e·vil·est.
Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.
n.
The quality of being morally bad or wrong; wickedness.
That which causes harm, misfortune, or destruction: a leader's power to do both good and evil.
An evil force, power, or personification.
Something that is a cause or source of suffering, injury, or destruction: the social evils of poverty and injustice.
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21 Aug 05
Originally posted by rwingettWell one of the thoughts I have had is this...
A typhoon that wipes out tens of thousands of people would be one example.
example #1....A raging madman kills a child for no apparent reason than that the child was a nuisance....evil?
example #2...The raging madman is apprehended before the murder...justice?
The child grows up to become Adolph Hitler.
We really can't always define evil/good without more information. God has this info....and we cannot be capable judges of God when we don't have His wisdom....just something to ponder ....
22 Aug 05
Originally posted by checkbaiterIf you cannot know or judge if god is committing evil, then you are likewise incapable of knowing or judging whether he is doing good. If god's morality is incomprehensible to mere humans, then you have no way of knowing if he is good or evil. What you are saying, in effect, is that god is unknowable to humans. You become incapable of saying anything about this god except to claim that he exists. What you are left with is a deistic god, and not the traditional christian god.
Well one of the thoughts I have had is this...
example #1....A raging madman kills a child for no apparent reason than that the child was a nuisance....evil?
example #2...The raging madman is apprehended before the murder...justice?
The child grows up to become Adolph Hitler.
We really can't always define evil/good without more information. Go ...[text shortened]... cannot be capable judges of God when we don't have His wisdom....just something to ponder ....
Or are you claiming that god is a utilitarian?
22 Aug 05
Originally posted by David CWell, if God is omnipotent, surely he has the Power to prevent Satan's evil from occuring, no?
Well, if God is omnipotent, surely he has the Power to prevent Satan's evil from occuring, no?
[b]whose minds the god of this age(world) has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
Holy cr*p! Mind if I use that line in the Astrotheology thread?[/b]
Do you think God should have stopped him by not giving Satan
the ability to do evil, by limiting the will? Did you have something
else in mind?
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22 Aug 05
Originally posted by KellyJayTyphoons are not evil in a purely naturalistic world. They just happen. But in a world that was created by a god, everything becomes an instrument of his will. God could have created a world where people were not wiped out by typhoons, but apparently he wanted things to be this way. An omniscient god would know that typhoons would occur. He would know in advance of each separate typhoon that would occur. One can only conclude that when typhoons kill tens of thousands of people, that is exactly what he wanted to happen and that he is pleased by it.
Typhoons are natural, what makes you call that evil?
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22 Aug 05
Originally posted by rwingettNo...I simply believe God's Word, since He is all wise and knowing...what He says is good is good, what He says is evil is evil. I simply trust Him since He is the creator of life and my understanding is limited.
If you cannot know or judge if god is committing evil, then you are likewise incapable of knowing or judging whether he is doing good. If god's morality is incomprehensible to mere humans, then you have no way of knowing if he is good or evil. What you are saying, in effect, is that god is unknowable to humans. You become incapable of saying anything about ...[text shortened]... c god, and not the traditional christian god.
Or are you claiming that god is a utilitarian?
What I can say, is that since becoming a Christian, I have more peace, joy and confidence. I don't even fear death like I used to, even though I am not ready to die, because I have learned that I can't be of service to Him when dead.
22 Aug 05
Originally posted by rwingettI don't understand, you are saying that God must do something to
Typhoons are not evil in a purely naturalistic world. They just happen. But in a world that was created by a god, everything becomes an instrument of his will. God could have created a world where people were not wiped out by typhoons, but apparently he wanted things to be this way. An omniscient god would know that typhoons would occur. He would know in ad ...[text shortened]... s of thousands of people, that is exactly what he wanted to happen and that he is pleased by it.
protect us from the natural world? Why, if we are all part of the natural
world why would God be required to do that? As far as being pleased
about it, I'm not sure I understand where you get that information
either.
Kelly
22 Aug 05
Originally posted by KellyJayGod created the natural world, including the conditions which spawn typhoons. Yes or no.
I don't understand, you are saying that God must do something to
protect us from the natural world? Why, if we are all part of the natural
world why would God be required to do that? As far as being pleased
about it, I'm not sure I understand where you get that information
either.
Kelly
Could god have created a world in which people did not die in typhoons? Yes or no.
When people die in typhoons, god knew it was coming. Yes or no.