Grace? What is it, Biblically speaking, and how does it work?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
That will be £3.50 please.

@divegeester said
Oh dear …

I didn’t realise grinding your gears was a sin.

@pettytalk said
That much for a stale donut? Here, I can get half a dozen fresh ones at Dunkin' Donuts for the same price. I don't need that kind of grace... it's too expensive for being free.

@pettytalk said
It ought to be a sin, when someone does not know how to properly engage the clutch. You are not a clutch player.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
That will be £3.50 please.

@suzianne said
Lucy only charged 5¢.

@PettyTalk
The grace of God is God taking the guilt of man upon Himself, so the punishment of God was done to the Word of God (Jesus Christ), instead of man. God then becomes both the reason for our justification and the justifier.

@kellyjay said
@PettyTalk
The grace of God is God taking the guilt of man upon Himself, so the punishment of God was done to the Word of God (Jesus Christ), instead of man. God then becomes both the reason for our justification and the justifier.

@pettytalk said
It's only fair that God takes on the responsibility and guilt, since He created all of us with an inherent defect--tendency to sin, if you prefer the term sin over defect. The production manager takes the blame or the credit for the product being produced. And a good sea captain goes down with his ship. Can God do any less?

It all sounds reasonable. But give it more thou ...[text shortened]... here will be no need for Hell as a place of punishment, and we'll all live happily ever after. Amen!

@pettytalk said
It's only fair that God takes on the responsibility and guilt, since He created all of us with an inherent defect--tendency to sin, if you prefer the term sin over defect.

@pettytalk said

It all sounds reasonable. But give it more thought, since God seems to have wasted two good stone tablets to write all those commands on.

Do you really feel that a person cannot live their lives in full compliance with the ten commandments? Would God command man to do something which cannot be done? It may be hard, but not impossible.

@pettytalk said

But I suppose that if God's grace takes away all mankind's punishment, there will be no need for Hell as a place of punishment, and we'll all live happily ever after. Amen!

There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in HELL, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this FLAME.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are TORMENTED. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this PLACE of TORMENT.’ Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.

They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

Then they will go away to ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, but the righteous to eternal life.

@kellyjay said
No, the punishment is as real as ever and it will be just for those who die in their sins, the forgiveness is what did not have to happen. So the punishment will be done in righteousness and the forgiveness will be too.

@pettytalk said
You are likely to die in sin yourself if you keep believing in Paul's BS. Paul was indeed God's tool; he was, and is still, God's worm, the one God used to bate his fishing hook with, to catch all the gullible fish.

Hypothetically, will God be punishing you in righteousness because you are gullible?

Will the forgiveness come before or after the spanking?