11 Jan 22
@suzianne saidBlasé?
Have you heard that God loves all of us and is desirous that none fall astray and become lost?
Why would such a God be willing to torture those same for all of eternity? Is there a purpose for this? I argue that there is not, and he is not.
Perhaps your certitude that these will be your neighbors and not you causes you to have this blasé attitude about it, but the Go ...[text shortened]... cerned that my view is a minority view. But you are wrong in assuming it has no scriptural support.
You're projecting.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
I won't be so presumptuous as to think I can comprehend that kind of love. There is only one that can love like that, and that is God.
You presume to think I am blasé about the fate of others because I think I have fire insurance. Don't be so shallow.
The argument is over the interpretation of "perish" and "eternal life".
Obviously no one is going to argue about what eternal life means, are they?
I would like to believe as you do that the "second death" means annihilation because the idea of eternal punishment is as unimaginable as death.
There's no file for it in our being. We weren't created to experience death.
But death reigns nonetheless.
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11 Jan 22
@josephw saidIsn't the idea of eternal punishment also unimaginable when applied to the actions of a loving God? Have you thought about that? I mean, really thought about it?
I would like to believe as you do that the "second death" means annihilation because the idea of eternal punishment is as unimaginable as death.
There's no file for it in our being. We weren't created to experience death.
But death reigns nonetheless.
Believe in me or be eternally punished. Is that really the God you worship?
-Removed-Show me they are temporary that they vanish on their own? We are held accountable for them or through Christ taking care of them He resolved them for us. That was done by the Son of God’s redemptive work, they don’t just disappear due to the passage of time. You have not thought about that much, you only see it as an opportunity to find fault with another, again.
11 Jan 22
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNo.
Isn't the idea of eternal punishment also unimaginable when applied to the actions of a loving God? Have you thought about that? I mean, really thought about it?
Believe in me or be eternally punished. Is that really the God you worship?
Yes.
Yes.
You've mischaracterized. It's "believe in me and live forever."
Presuming to accuse God of being unjust is folly and the consequence of erroneous thinking.
By your own logic can that which is perfect be flawed?
Is God flawed because He so loved the world that He gave His Son to die in our place so that we who believe will have eternal life?
And is God flawed because He metes out justice to those that reject the author of life?
Get your head screwed on straight.
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11 Jan 22
@josephw saidI find it unfathomable that anybody (with their head screwed on correctly) can see no disconnect between a loving and omniscient God and one who would meat out eternal punishment.
No.
Yes.
Yes.
You've mischaracterized. It's "believe in me and live forever."
Presuming to accuse God of being unjust is folly and the consequence of erroneous thinking.
By your own logic can that which is perfect be flawed?
Is God flawed because He so loved the world that He gave His Son to die in our place so that we who believe will have eternal life?
And ...[text shortened]... He metes out justice to those that reject the author of life?
Get your head screwed on straight.
11 Jan 22
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIts what the church does to the mindless masses. Jesus said that God can destroy souls. Yet churches preach that souls are immortal and hence there is no such thing as complete annihilation and anyone who does not believe is tormented.
I find it unfathomable that anybody (with their head screwed on correctly) can see no disconnect between a loving and omniscient God and one who would meat out eternal punishment.
11 Jan 22
@rajk999 saidYou should read the whole Bible.
Its what the church does to the mindless masses. Jesus said that God can destroy souls. Yet churches preach that souls are immortal and hence there is no such thing as complete annihilation and anyone who does not believe is tormented.
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11 Jan 22
@divegeester
Look, it's not as if we are going to strap you down and inject you with Haldol to help you see things "the right way".
12 Jan 22
-Removed-Well, eternal is forever, temporary is not, one means one thing, while the other means something else. You don't seem to understand what all-inclusive means. Now you are struggling with the difference between eternal and temporary. If sins are not eternal, they are not, which means temporary because they will not last forever or eternally. Are you purposely being dull, or don't know or grasp things said to you so that you have to have every word explained to you in precise detail, so you understand?