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24 May 12
Originally posted by divegeesterIt would be naive to think that the Jehovah's Witnesses have no response to this criticism. Asking a JW on this forum to provide that response is only a test of their knowledge of that response.
In 1995 the Jehovah's Witness publications changed the 'Awake' text of the prophesy to omit one of their phophetic errors.
[b]"Why 'Awake' is Published"
Version from before Nov 8th 1995:
[i]"Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the even ...[text shortened]... ]
Why not just admit it was a false phophesy instead of re-writting the words?[/b]
So I'd go to the source, as at: http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/appendix_10.htm
After some explanation of the time period involved...
"The 2,520 years began in October 607 B.C.E., when Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians and the Davidic king was taken off his throne. The period ended in October 1914. At that time, “the appointed times of the nations” ended, and Jesus Christ was installed as God’s heavenly King.*—Psalm 2:1-6; Daniel 7:13, 14.
"Just as Jesus predicted, his “presence” as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments—war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of God’s heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of “the last days” of this present wicked system of things.—2 Timothy 3:1-5."
So, if you read this with faith in hand, which is what we are told is required for true understanding, there is no significant problem with the edit.
24 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobiegalveston75 has just said: "No I don't see the year 1914 anywhere in that scripture. So Jesus didn't say that."
Jesus originated the prophecy, who else, it was after all him that stated that a
generation would not pass away until all these things occur, was it not.
24 May 12
Here is a similar or even more brazen prophecy.. , discussed in an earlier thread
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that in 1918, Christ judged all world religions claiming to be Christian,[45] and that after a period of eighteen months, among all groups and religions claiming to represent Christ,[46] only the "Bible Students" (from which Jehovah's Witnesses developed) met God's approval.[47] Watch Tower Society publications claim that the world's other religions have misrepresented God, and filled the world with hatred.[48] They identify "Babylon The Great" and the "mother of the harlots" referred to in Revelation 17:3-6 as the "world empire of false religion"[48][49][50]
During the final great tribulation, all other religions will be destroyed by "crazed" member governments of the United Nations, acting under the direction of Jehovah.[51][52] Witness publications identify the United Nations as the "beast" to whom the "ten kings" of Revelation 17:12,13 give their "power and authority."[53]
Notes :
45 Revelation—Its Grand Climax at Hand!, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1988, p. 56.
46 Revelation—Its Grand Climax at Hand!, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1988, pp. 259-260.
47 The Watchtower, January 15, 2008, p. 24.
48 a b "Babylon the Great Indicted", The Watchtower, April 15, 1989, page 23.
49 What Does The Bible Really Teach?, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 2005, page 220.
50 "Babylon the Great—Fallen and Judged", The Watchtower, May 1, 1989, pages 3-7.
51 Revelation—Its Grand Climax at Hand!, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1988, page 256 par. 52 "No Peace for the False Messengers!" The Watchtower, May 1, 1997, pp. 17-18 par. 17: "Shortly, 'crazed' members of the UN will be maneuvered by Jehovah to turn on false religion, as described at Revelation 17:16 ... This will mark the start of the great tribulation"
53 "Deliverance at the Revelation of Jesus Christ", The Watchtower, May 1, 1993, p. 24.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses
24 May 12
Originally posted by galveston75So whose prophecy is it that a peaceful and secure new world was promised before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away?
Nope. All we know is what Jesus said about the signs and the bibles explination of time in describing the time up to and including the last days.
24 May 12
Originally posted by JS357Exactly. I have been down this road with the 2 JWs on this site on more than one occasion in the last few years and their responses are well rehearsed and along the following lines ..
It would be naive to think that the Jehovah's Witnesses have no response to this criticism. Asking a JW on this forum to provide that response is only a test of their knowledge of that response....
1. We never originate prophecy, we just try to interpret it.
2. We make mistakes .. even the disciples made mistakes
3. We have learned from our mistakes.
But those are nonsense excuses since actual dates/years were put it the statements of the Bible, and this in itself creates a new prophecy. Also if you bear in mind the warnings of Christ about false prophesies then it is something smart organisations shy away from.
The problem with the WT is that they claim to be God's organisation. So they have to try to back up that with the only thing that will prove it .. prophesies. Unfortunately all - 100% have failed miserably and they have succeeded only in embarrassing themselves.
Clearly they cannot have any backing or support from God if their statements about future events are 100% wrong.