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The multiheaded beast being ridden by the whore of Babylon is is real, an actual multiheaded beast with a whore on its back.
And why? So that they can try to protect their cherished eternal suffering as being literal. Because goodness me, if the likes of KellyJay, sonship and SecondSon didn’t have the cosy knowledge that all their atheist detractors were going to be tortured by Jesus in hell for eternity, then where would they be!
@secondson saidDo you believe the "everlasting fire" mentioned in the verse you quoted is literal and real, or do you believe it symbolizes something else?
"Heaven" is real and literal. "Eternal life" is real and literal. The "kingdom of God" is real and literal. "Hell" is real and literal.
@secondson saidDo you believe the "everlasting fire" mentioned in the verse you quoted is "used literally or figuratively"?
The English word "fire" occurs from Matthew 3:10 to Revelation 21:8. You can decide for yourself where it is used literally or figuratively.
@secondson saidDo you believe, as many Christians do ~ including sonship and KellyJay ~ that those whose fate is "damnation" face torment in burning flames for eternity?
The word "pyr" occurs 74 times in 73 verses in the scriptures of the New Testament. It is translated into English as: fire (73x), fiery (1x).
Not sure if anyone ever brought it up, but the problem with "He was There" is that it does not guarantee whatsoever that the account He Wrote about Being There is accurate, or correct.
All the usual possibilities for false testimony are present.
- He may not have actually seen what he thought he saw.
- He may have inaccurately described what he saw.
- He may have embellished some of the details of what he saw.
- He may have forgotten some of what he saw in the time between seeing it, and writing about it.
- He may have just made the whole thing up entirely.
Etc.
@bigdoggproblem saidAnother...
All the usual possibilities for false testimony are present.
- He may not have actually seen what he thought he saw.
- He may have inaccurately described what he saw.
- He may have embellished some of the details of what he saw.
- He may have forgotten some of what he saw in the time between seeing it, and writing about it.
- He may have just made the whole thing up entirely.
Etc.
Nobody knows how many anonymous people who weren't "there" had a hand in editing or adding to or embellishing or changing the text over some unknown number of subsequent decades.
04 Feb 20
@divegeester saidQuote where anyone said the "Multiheaded beast" with "the whore of Babylon on its back" is literal. Until you do why don't you quit being intellectually dishonest and projecting your twisted assumptions with which you mischaracterize what others have actually said?
The multiheaded beast being ridden by the whore of Babylon is is real, an actual multiheaded beast with a whore on its back.
And why? So that they can try to protect their cherished eternal suffering as being literal. Because goodness me, if the likes of KellyJay, sonship and SecondSon didn’t have the cosy knowledge that all their atheist detractors were going to be tortured by Jesus in hell for eternity, then where would they be!
And your second statement is just bizarre. You may as well make the same charge against God Himself who said, " but the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
God's Word says nothing about annihilation or ceasing to exist after death. If that were the case then what logic would there be in resurrecting the dead to be judged and then casting them into the lake of fire?
Your logic is flawed. Man "became a living soul" created in the "image and likeness" of God. Can God die and then cease to exist? Jesus was a man. When Jesus said "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit" and "gave up the ghost", did His spirit and soul die and cease to exist?
Your argument is irrational and in contradiction to the text of scripture.
04 Feb 20
@fmf saidYeah, and you're "nobody" that "knows" all those "anonymous people" that corrupted the original manuscripts, and you know the veracity of scripture is compromised.
Another...
Nobody knows how many anonymous people who weren't "there" had a hand in editing or adding to or embellishing or changing the text over some unknown number of subsequent decades.
It's obvious you're better informed than even the God you know nothing of that inspired scripture and superintends its preservation. Little wonder how easily you converted your friend and forum comrade divegeester.
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04 Feb 20
@secondson saidIt is either literal, or it isn't.
Quote where anyone said the "Multiheaded beast" with "the whore of Babylon on its back" is literal.
When you decide please let us know.
04 Feb 20
@FMF
Do you believe the "everlasting fire" mentioned in the verse you quoted is literal and real, or do you believe it symbolizes something else?
Do you believe the "everlasting fire" mentioned in the verse you quoted is "used literally or figuratively"?
Do you believe the "everlasting fire" mentioned in the verse you quoted is "used literally or figuratively"?
I made what I believe perfectly clear in a previous post, your disingenuous questions notwithstanding. "Everlasting" fire means it never ends. In Matthew chapter 3 John the Baptist said of Jesus, "Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Your line of reasoning is illogical and irrational. The same language used to describe eternal life and everlasting punishment is identical. Are we to assume that the gift of life isn't everlasting either just because you and others think "everlasting punishment" doesn't mean what it says?
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@divegeester saidYou said, "The multiheaded beast being ridden by the whore of Babylon is is real, an actual multiheaded beast with a whore on its back."
It is either literal, or it isn't.
When you decide please let us know.
You're making the accusation that, "And why? So that they can try to protect their cherished eternal suffering as being literal. Because goodness me, if the likes of KellyJay, sonship and SecondSon didn’t have the cosy knowledge that all their atheist detractors were going to be tortured by Jesus in hell for eternity, then where would they be!"
You're an intellectual hypocrite. We all know it's symbolic language representing a literal truth, which you obviously can't understand, so you fabricate a fictitious argument because you're just too spiritually inept to discuss the content of the passages in question.
And if you ever figure out that heaven and hell are both literal places, just as the scriptures say, where the saved go to heaven and the lost go to hell, forever, then let us know.
In the mean time I'm certain you'll continue to bore us with your obfuscating stupidity, and your contradictions of the clear text of scripture. And don't bother to address a single point made in answer to your's. Just keep posting your fake arguments.
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04 Feb 20
@secondson saidYou were on the verge of committing to whether the multi headed beast was real or not...?
You said, "The multiheaded beast being ridden by the whore of Babylon is is real, an actual multiheaded beast with a whore on its back."
You're making the accusation that, "And why? So that they can try to protect their cherished eternal suffering as being literal. Because goodness me, if the likes of KellyJay, sonship and SecondSon didn’t have the cosy knowledge that al ...[text shortened]... 't bother to address a single point made in answer to your's. Just keep posting your fake arguments.
04 Feb 20
@secondson saidHow many unknown persons' hands did the text pass through before it reached its final version?
Yeah, and you're "nobody" that "knows" all those "anonymous people" that corrupted the original manuscripts, and you know the veracity of scripture is compromised.
04 Feb 20
@secondson saidSo what will the "everlasting fire" be for after the end times and judgment?
Your line of reasoning is illogical and irrational. The same language used to describe eternal life and everlasting punishment is identical.
04 Feb 20
@secondson saidWho will the fire be burning for eternity?
"Everlasting" fire means it never ends.