13 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieUnless you have some evidence to the contrary, I don't see how U.S. TV evangelist style tirades and nostrums about "therapy" [e.g.from the article you cited: "There is no such thing as a homosexual [...] Everyone is heterosexual. Some of you may have a homosexual problem. But you are still a heterosexual. 'Homosexual' is simply a description of a psychological disorder, prompted by an inner sense of emptiness. This by the way, is non-religious, non-political information. This is scientific information."] is of any relevance or consequence to the world's 600,000,000 or so homosexuals.
so just to be clear are you saying that a person cannot be assisted to change their sexual preferences?
13 Feb 13
Originally posted by FMFthen i suggest you read it again, Corinthians is merely cited as the first known instance of assistance. Perhaps you should try to increase your powers of reading comprehension. Again, are you stating that persons cannot overcome homosexual tendencies with assistance? Last time asking.
It reads like a political polemic, or a religioist polemic, not a peer reviewed scientific paper. It mentions the New Testament's Corinthians 6:9ff and "Lord Jesus Christ". Have you got any scientific research that doesn't mention "Lord Jesus Christ"?
13 Feb 13
Originally posted by FMFok, you cannot bring yourself to honestly sate whether a person can be assisted and helped to overcome attraction to persons of the same sex, goodbye, you have wasted enough of my time, i am prepared to discuss it with any reasonable person, not you.
Unless you have some evidence to the contrary, I don't see how U.S. TV evangelist style tirades and nostrums about "therapy" [e.g.from the article you cited: [b]"There is no such thing as a homosexual [...] Everyone is heterosexual. Some of you may have a homosexual problem. But you are still a heterosexual. 'Homosexual' is simply a description of a psychologica ...[text shortened]... ."] is of any relevance or consequence to the world's 600,000,000 or so homosexuals.[/b]
13 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat do you hope to achieve? (other than reminding us of your homophobia? )
actuality its a continuation of the last, have you anything to add as to what may help or do you think it immoral that a person should change? Again, this thread is not about me, something you people are having extreme difficulty with.
13 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIn my life I have known people who were seemingly straight and then discovered that they were homosexual; I have known a bisexual man that decided to concentrate on his heterosexual side; I have known a self-declared heterosexual woman change to being bisexual and is now a happily married lesbian. So yes people can change. The integrity of the "evidence" for "assisted change" seems to be undermined by the partisan agenda that wants to believe it and wants to disseminate it.
So lets ask you again, are you stating that assisted change is impossible?
13 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo you reckon Spitzer might have been right and was wrong to retract his research and apologize?
I said it has been discredited, if you construe that as a retraction, then that's up to you, I remain sceptical as to what prompted it.
13 Feb 13
Originally posted by e4chrisdude you have no idea how much i love boobs, I am certainly not gay. Now will you answer my question, do you think it possible that a person can be assisted to overcome feelings for persons of the same sex or do you think that its immoral to do so.
pot... kettle... black...
i think you need to come out, you talk more about gays then a gay person that IS a sign you know...
13 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo Corinthians is cited as some kind of 'scientific evidence' in a 'scientific paper'? That's OK is it?
then i suggest you read it again, Corinthians is merely cited as the first known instance of assistance. Perhaps you should try to increase your powers of reading comprehension. Again, are you stating that persons cannot overcome homosexual tendencies with assistance? Last time asking.