Herman Cain, Christianity, Leadership

Originally posted by RJHinds
I did not say Herman Cain was exempt from the Constitution. You guys
are jumping way ahead with your accusation that he should be impeached,
etc.

I didn't say he should be impeached. How can he be impeached? He's only a candidate. I merely pointed out that he could be impeached if he did in office what he said he would do in office because it is a policy that contravenes Article VI of the U.S. Constitution. Why won't you answer the question? What is your interpretation of Article VI?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Wait until he gets elected and then you can claim he is an evil
person.

Who has claimed he is "evil"?

Why won't you answer the question: as a Christian can you in all conscience endorse someone like Cain who - in a secular state - advocates discriminating against fellow citizens on account of their spiritual beliefs?

Originally posted by RJHinds
You wrote it on your post. If you deny it, then you are not only being
dishonest, you are also a liar.

Kind sir, please provide evidence that I said what you say I said. I may have quoted others, but even that needs evidence.

Originally posted by FMF
Who has claimed he is "evil"?

Why won't you answer the question: as a Christian can you in all conscience endorse someone like Cain who - in a secular state - advocates discriminating against fellow citizens on account of their spiritual beliefs?

You must be talking about someone else. Herman Cain does not
advocate discriminating against fellow citizens on account of their
spiritual beliefs. So your question implies something that in not true.
You must of gotten training from the Democrats.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I did not say Herman Cain was exempt from the Constitution. You guys
are jumping way ahead with your accusation that he should be impeached,
etc. Wait until he gets elected and then you can claim he is an evil
person. Then if he gives someone a test on religion you can make your
claims.

if he's elected.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You must be talking about someone else. Herman Cain does not
advocate discriminating against fellow citizens on account of their
spiritual beliefs. So your question implies something that in not true.
You must of gotten training from the Democrats.

Cain doesn't want to appoint people of the Muslim faith. He singled them out. The Muslim faith is a set of spiritual beliefs, regardless of whether you subscribe to them. 'Muslim' is not a race; it's not a nationality; it's not a genetic thing; Muslims do not have homogeneous political view; What Muslims have in common - what defines them - is their spiritual beliefs. And Cain seeks to discriminate against them.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You must be talking about someone else.

On the contrary it is you who does not seem to want to stick to the topic and the questions that have been raised.

Why won't you answer the questions?

1. As a Christian can you in all conscience endorse someone like Cain who - in a secular state - explicitly and specifically advocates discriminating against fellow citizens on account of their spiritual beliefs?

2. What is your interpretation of Article VI of the U.S. Constitution? You have accused fellow posters of lying about it or having 'no idea' or whatever you said. Just clear it up: what is your interpretation of Article VI?

Originally posted by RJHinds
My ancestors arrived her in America before it became a nation. I have
lived here for 67 years. I think I know more about it than a foreigner
like you or FMF.

Your ancestors were Brits who came over on a boat from Plymouth, which is in Devon, which is in England which is probably where FMF is from. So he is directly descended from your forefathers and your father's forefathers and your father's father's forefathers...

Originally posted by divegeester
FMF [...] is directly descended from your forefathers and your father's forefathers and your father's father's forefathers...

All this talk of known fathers is your call, divegeester. But, in fact, a lot of people see me as a bastard through and through.

Originally posted by FMF
All this talk of known fathers is your call, divegeester. But, in fact, a lot of people see me as a bastard through and through.

Sure I can see that 😛

But you add value all the same.

Originally posted by divegeester
Your ancestors were Brits who came over on a boat from Plymouth, which is in Devon, which is in England which is probably where FMF is from. So he is directly descended from your forefathers and your father's forefathers and your father's father's forefathers...

So what? He does not live here in America.

Originally posted by FMF
Cain doesn't want to appoint people of the Muslim faith. He singled them out. The Muslim faith is a set of spiritual beliefs, regardless of whether you subscribe to them. 'Muslim' is not a race; it's not a nationality; it's not a genetic thing; Muslims do not have homogeneous political view; What Muslims have in common - what defines them - is their spiritual beliefs. And Cain seeks to discriminate against them.

Cain said he would not discriminate against Muslims, but he was not
comfortable with them in his administration and does not plan on
appointing any. He said if a muslim had skills that his administration
needed and could show that he would support the constitution of the
U.S., that he would consider him.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Cain said he would not discriminate against Muslims, but he was not
comfortable with them in his administration and does not plan on
appointing any. He said if a muslim had skills that his administration
needed and could show that he would support the constitution of the
U.S., that he would consider him.

1. As a Christian can you in endorse a president's discrimination against people on account of their spiritual beliefs?

2. What is your interpretation of Article VI of the U.S. Constitution?

Originally posted by FMF
1. As a Christian can you in endorse a president's discrimination against people on account of their spiritual beliefs?

2. What is your interpretation of Article VI of the U.S. Constitution?

Maybe, depending what you mean by discrimination. But Herman Cain
said he would not discriminate, so it doesn't matter in this case.

Article 6 concerns the United States itself. First, it guarantees that the United States under the Constitution would assume all debts and contracts entered into by the United States under the Articles of Confederation. It sets the Constitution and all laws and treaties of the United States to be the supreme law of the country. Finally, it requires all officers of the United States and of the states to swear an oath of allegiance to the United States and the Constitution when taking office.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Maybe, depending what you mean by discrimination. But Herman Cain
said he would not discriminate, so it doesn't matter in this case.

Cain has stated that he will discriminate, explicitly and specifically, against Muslims. His own words have been quoted verbatim on this thread. And it does matter very much in this case. The irony of a candidate promising to not uphold a provision of the constitution because he believes Americans of a certain religion will not uphold the constitution will not be lost on thoughtful Americans.