31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @apathistI'm genuinely embarrassed for him. Civilisation after civilisation of demigods and virgin births and he's apparently oblivious to all of them.
Sir! You are on par with claiming the earth is flat. There is no rational reason to take you seriously here. I can list examples and resources all day long, but you aren't serious so why bother. Unless... are you [b]unable to actually research an issue by yourself? You don't have the necessary skills?[/b]
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeMore claims again without any references, no surprise there.
As I say sir, these myths have been around for thousands of years. Are you 'really' disputing this?! (The Tukulti-Urta example I mentioned, where the gods created him in the womb of his mother, is actually a building inscription from 890-884 B.C.)
But if these myths are too obscure for you, just look to Hinduism and the virgin birth of Krishna!!!! (Documented thousands of years before Jesus).
There seem to be quite a few people that disagree about Krishna.
https://www.quora.com/Is-Krishna-the-Hindu-God-a-virgin-born
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI've given you several.
Well obviously if you don't reference your sources there is no way for me to prove them bogus is there. Win win for you. If your claims are so easily verifiable why haven't you given me even one source?
Again, are you claiming these myths prevalent for thousands of years have just this second been fabricated?
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeStill no references...
I'm genuinely embarrassed for him. Civilisation after civilisation of demigods and virgin births and he's apparently oblivious to all of them.
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeTell me exactly how you know for sure that these myths have been prevalent for thousands of years. Surely you can do that.
I've given you several.
Again, are you claiming these myths prevalent for thousands of years have just this second been fabricated?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhy are you afraid to learn new information? You are not compelled to believe these myths or even that Christianity was influenced by them, but to try instead to make out these myths are bogus is probably the most pathetic defence I have ever encountered in these forums. You are lost before you even begin if you seriously want to assert demigods and virgin births didn't precede Christianity.
Tell me exactly how you know for sure that these myths have been prevalent for thousands of years. Surely you can do that.
'According to academia, there are at least 32 stories of other virgin births in ancient cultures of bygone eras. The legends of the surrounding pagan cultures were so influential in the first century that the Early Church was forced to imitate and incorporate them to have their ‘new’ Christian religion accepted.'
http://www.lawofattractiongps.com/not-just-jesus-other-virgin-births/
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThere was a pogram to either destroy the pagan temples or to re-use them for christian purposes. They did this with fire and sword.
... The legends of the surrounding pagan cultures were so influential in the first century that the Early Church was forced to imitate and incorporate them to have their ‘new’ Christian religion accepted.'....
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeIt's written on a blog, it must be true. You have convinced me.
Why are you afraid to learn new information? You are not compelled to believe these myths or even that Christianity was influenced by them, but to try instead to make out these myths are bogus is probably the most pathetic defence I have ever encountered in these forums. You are lost before you even begin if you seriously want to assert demigods and ...[text shortened]... ian religion accepted.'
http://www.lawofattractiongps.com/not-just-jesus-other-virgin-births/
Originally posted by @dj2beckerIt wasn't claimed to be true because it was on a blog.
It's written on a blog, it must be true. You have convinced me.
What are your standards, dj? What words do you consider to contain truth? How do you make such a judgement?
Originally posted by @apathistHow then do you know it's true? I wouldn't trust everything I read on a blog, do you?
It wasn't claimed to be true because it was on a blog.
What are your standards, dj? What words do you consider to contain truth? [b]How do you make such a judgement?[/b]
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhat are your standards, dj? What words do you consider to contain truth? How do you make such a judgement?
How then do you know it's true? I wouldn't trust everything I read on a blog, do you?
Your first reply merely deflects. Try again?
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThe Tukulti-Urta example I provided, where the gods created him in the womb of his mother, is on a building inscription from 890-884 B.C.
It's written on a blog, it must be true. You have convinced me.
I guess you will claim the building is fake too right? Or that the inscription was carved last Thursday by a troublesome atheist?
Look, there are dozens of virgin birth myths, well evidence and studied from a plethora of civilisations that precede Christianity. - One can only conclude that by recognising this you are fearful that the Christian virgin birth is some how diminished.
Is your faith really that weak?
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @apathistIt wasn't claimed to be true because it was on a blog.
It wasn't claimed to be true because it was on a blog.
What are your standards, dj? What words do you consider to contain truth? [b]How do you make such a judgement?[/b]
So do you know that it is true or do you merely hope so?
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThe Tukulti-Urta example I provided, where the gods created him in the womb of his mother, is on a building inscription from 890-884 B.C.
The Tukulti-Urta example I provided, where the gods created him in the womb of his mother, is on a building inscription from 890-884 B.C.
I guess you will claim the building is fake too right? Or that the inscription was carved last Thursday by a troublesome atheist?
Look, there are dozens of virgin birth myths, well evidence and studied from ...[text shortened]... arful that the Christian virgin birth is some how diminished.
Is your faith really that weak?
And you know this how?
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou'll reject whatever source i give you, but here you go:
[b]The Tukulti-Urta example I provided, where the gods created him in the womb of his mother, is on a building inscription from 890-884 B.C.
And you know this how?[/b]
http://www.maravot.com/Phrygian1d.html
(determined in the womb of (his) mother...)
Early Assyrian accounts are well documented and substantiated. We are talking about historical documents, not just from the Assyrians, but from a number of ancient civilisations. - I'm afraid covering your eyes and pretending not to see references to virgin births just makes you like ridiculous and insecure in your faith.
I'm sure any other Christian on this site wouldn't seek to fool themselves that these myths are all bogus, but would be arguing that the biblical accounts were not influenced by them. (As unlikely as that would have been).