02 Jul 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidGod sets rules down for us, they do not apply to Him, He is God, we are not.
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“Fathers are not to be put to death for their children or children for their fathers; each person will be put to death for his own sin." (Deut:24:16)
'for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me.' (Exodus 20:5)
Crazy stuff.
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@kellyjay saidYes, yes, your God can do what he likes.
God sets rules down for us, they do not apply to Him, He is God, we are not.
I'm glad he's not my God.
Edit: Your reply doesn't address the contradiction highlighted. (Other than to suggest your God is a hypocrite).
02 Jul 23
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Yes, yes, your God can do what he likes.
I'm glad he's not my God.
Edit: Your reply doesn't address the contradiction highlighted.
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02 Jul 23
@kellyjay saidDeut:24:16 tells us that children don’t bear the sins of their fathers and yet God Himself punishes children for the sins of their fathers.
explain
Why do you worship a self proclaimed jealous God who acts in such a hypocritical manner, not even able to adhere to the instructions he gives others? How is a 'do as I say not as I do' God a righteous and morally sound deity worthy of worship?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYes, God tells us not to do that, I acknowledged that, and He is not one of us. The very universe we live in is set up to do just that, sexual diseases can cause birth defects God set up the universe that there are laws in place that act with consistently like chemistry, and physics that do not bend due to the desire to do evil and the results always follow and some times they are passed down to our kids.
Deut:24:16 tells us that children don’t bear the sins of their fathers and yet God Himself punishes children for the sins of their fathers.
Why do you worship a self proclaimed jealous God who acts in such a hypocritical manner, not even able to adhere to the instructions he gives others? How is a 'do as I say not as I do' God a righteous and morally sound deity worthy of worship?
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@rajk999 saidChronicles, composed during the Second Temple, is of late origin; there are citations in the book of Chronicles from prophets such as First Zechariah and Malachi who prophesied in the Persian period (both dated in the late sixth century BCE), so pretty clear dates there. Chronicles is held to be based on Kings. Kings is of older composition and is held by many biblical scholars to present an impossible chronology (not only in respect of the passage you cite).
Here is an error in the bible.
Story of Ahaziah .. One says 42, another place says 22 :
Recorded in Chronicles
Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri. (2 Chronicles 22:2 KJV)
Recorded in Kings
[i]Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah ...[text shortened]... i]
For Christians who claim the bible has no error, how can this error be explained or justified.
If one reads these books as factual history, there are bound to be inconsistencies and outright errors. Read them as (invented) ideological foundations for particular family/political dynasties, and they make more sense.
@kellyjay saidAs a bible literalist yourself, how do you account for the contradiction which Ghost of a Duke posted earlier about the sins of the fathers?
Yes, God tells us not to do that, I acknowledged that, and He is not one of us. The very universe we live in is set up to do just that, sexual diseases can cause birth defects God set up the universe that there are laws in place that act with consistently like chemistry, and physics that do not bend due to the desire to do evil and the results always follow and some times they are passed down to our kids.
03 Jul 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidOkay, again we are His creation, He is God, there is a difference.
Deut:24:16 tells us that children don’t bear the sins of their fathers and yet God Himself punishes children for the sins of their fathers.
Why do you worship a self proclaimed jealous God who acts in such a hypocritical manner, not even able to adhere to the instructions he gives others? How is a 'do as I say not as I do' God a righteous and morally sound deity worthy of worship?
Nothing hypocritical about His judgments, if we create out of nothing and He sets the rules there and doesn't abide by them that would be hypocritical, as Lord of the universe, not so much.
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@kellyjay saidI think your idea of a God, who is worthy of worship, is deeply flawed. Your basic premise seems to be that 'God is the creator and can therefore do anything he wishes.' Your God is not accountable to anybody or even the moral standards he insists his creation should follow, and who he will punish for not following.
Okay, again we are His creation, He is God, there is a difference.
Nothing hypocritical about His judgments, if we create out of nothing and He sets the rules there and doesn't abide by them that would be hypocritical, as Lord of the universe, not so much.
Your God doesn't abide by the rules and moral standards he insists others should follow. He doesn't lead by example.
03 Jul 23
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In fairness to the religions of the Book, neither did the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses lead by example.
03 Jul 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWell, being God, who is going to stop Him from doing anything He wishes? He created everything and holds it all together by the power of His Word, He is all-powerful and all-knowing, He is eternal in time and space, so there isn't anywhere He is less than God, He gives everything His full attention all at the same time, everywhere non-stop so His judgments are sure.
I think your idea of a God, who is worthy of worship, is deeply flawed. Your basic premise seems to be that 'God is the creator and can therefore do anything he wishes.' Your God is not accountable to anybody or even the moral standards he insists his creation should follow, and who he will punish for not following.
Your God doesn't abide by the rules and moral standards he insists others should follow. He doesn't lead by example.
He created the rules for us, only His attributes are His only limitations, He cannot lie because He is good, righteous, and holy. He is love, not as something He does but is, so in every action and thing He does He will always maintain all of these attributes without diminishing any of them to fulfill another. He will judge in righteousness, and goodness, without fail, so the real questions around Him are not why He doesn't just spare us for our guilt, but why doesn't He end us as we deserve? How could God who is righteous get away with forgiving the guilty while maintaining righteousness and goodness in Himself?
The cross of Christ where justice and mercy meet satisfying both for our sakes, not His.
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03 Jul 23
@kellyjay saidHe sent bears to rip children to pieces.
He created the rules for us, only His attributes are His only limitations, He cannot lie because He is good, righteous, and holy. He is love, not as something He does but is, so in every action and thing He does He will always maintain all of these attributes without diminishing any of them to fulfill another. He will judge in righteousness, and goodness, without fail, so t ...[text shortened]... ighteous get away with forgiving the guilty while maintaining righteousness and goodness in Himself?