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@sonship saidI answered this in my last post.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
You thump on the Bible constanly to try to proof text me to shut my mouth.
Now put on your "Cult Fighter Defending Traditional Christianity" hat and tell me if you believe that the Bible TEACHES that the Man Jesus was God."
If you say "No" my job is easier than I thought.
So what's your answer about what you know the Bible TEACHES?
I'm an atheist. Neither you or me believe in the Christian understanding of God. I don't believe He exists at all and you believe in a twisted version of Him that sees you deified and ruling heaven alongside Jesus.
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I asked you what you know about what the Bible teaches.
You have plenty of breath to argue with me other times on that.
I see you intend to evade whereas plenty of times before you said "sonship, this is what the Bible REALLY teaches."
If you measure my line a crooked one because you compare it to the straight line of the teaching of the Bible (though you don't believe it) then you are very selective in WHEN you want to remind me what is really taught there.
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13 Mar 22
@josephw saidChristianity doesn't promise or offer deification. Hang on to that and you'll be okay.
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I probably shouldn't say this, but if I keep reading sonship's posts I'm going to forget how to understand the Bible.
I don't know where to begin to unravel this mess. Every reference, every quote, no matter what context it's taken from, is used to support a single assertion!
"God became man so that man can become God".
I'm beginning to feel like a her ...[text shortened]... f the "deification" of believers until I heard it here.
What in the heck is the matter with me!?
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Christianity doesn't promise or offer deification. Hang on to that and you'll be okay.
Just tell us if the Bible TEACHES that the man Jesus of Nazareth was God.
"I have no dog in this fight" is a strange thing to fall back on when you regularly unleash your pit bull into the yard to do some biting.
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@sonship saidThe Bible is inconsistent in what it teaches. I can provide passages that make clear Jesus was not God and also passages that could be interpreted to suggest He was. It is these contradictions and inconsistencies that fuels Christian disagreements about scripture.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I asked you what you know about what the Bible teaches.
You have plenty of breath to argue with me other times on that.
I see you intend to evade whereas plenty of times before you said "sonship, this is what the Bible REALLY teaches."
If you measure my line a crooked because you compare it to the straight line of the teac ...[text shortened]... ve it) then you are very selective in WHEN you want to remind me what is really taught there.
13 Mar 22
@rajk999 saidNot only are your interpretations of scripture aberrant, but your applications are erroneous.
Atheists who live charitably will be forgiven and will get eternal life. Blasphemers will not be forgiven, and they are the ones facing outer darkness. It is worse for the professing a Christian to be found unworthy, than it is for an unbeliever who did not profess any belief.
Apparently you do not believe Christ when he said
.. Depart from me, ye cursed, into ...[text shortened]... ked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. (Matthew 25:41-43 KJV)
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@sonship saidMore false church doctrines.
Just tell us if the Bible TEACHES that the man Jesus of Nazareth was God.
The bible teaches :
Jesus Christ was the Son of God.
This is what Jesus said.
The is what the disciples believed
This is what God revealed to the disciples
Anything else is the work of Satan.
13 Mar 22
@josephw saidI quote exactly the teachings of Christ
Not only are your interpretations of scripture aberrant, but your applications are erroneous.
I believe nothing else.
Your church says otherwise. I got that.
The elect of God stays with Christ
But those destined for damnation go along with the church
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The Bible is inconsistent in what it teaches. I can provide passages that make clear Jesus was not God and also passages that could be interpreted to suggest He was. It is these contradictions and inconsistencies that fuels Christian disagreements about scripture.
So if there are areas of inconsistency then there must be areas where reconcilation should be explored. That is unless you're eager for a rationale to not listen to the Bible at all because its not alweays so simple throughout.
You just admitted that because varied things are said there is GROUND to explore where the paradoxes make sense when taken together.
I perceive that you instead of admitting that are going to "Christians shouldn't disagree with each other" as what you're supporting.
This is a convenient way to shut down the possibility of brothers in Christ lovingly explaining to each other what it is they see there.
I began this thread with an explanation that there is often two sides of major tenets of the Bible. You don't care . . . sometimes. But some of us who love the Lord and His word want to hash things out and examine these matters.
13 Mar 22
@rajk999 saidYour sole purposes in citing scripture is to weaponize them against believers.
All the Good Samaritans of this world are the ones who make up the brothers and sisters in Christ.
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. (Matthew 12:50 KJV)
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14 KJV)
Christ brothers and sisters, keep the commandments
You see everything through the prism of your delusions about what it means to be a Christian, a title which you are too cowardly to wear because you don't really know Christ, you just know about him.
Yours are the "doctrines of devils."
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13 Mar 22
@sonship saidThe one thing the Bible definitely doesn't say is that you will be deified.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
The Bible is inconsistent in what it teaches. I can provide passages that make clear Jesus was not God and also passages that could be interpreted to suggest He was. It is these contradictions and inconsistencies that fuels Christian disagreements about scripture.
So if there are areas of inconsistency then there must be areas w ...[text shortened]... es. But some of us who love the Lord and His word want to hash things out and examine these matters.
13 Mar 22
@josephw saidMy purpose in citing scripture is to promote the teachings of Christ. If that offends you and you feel you are being 'weaponised' ... whatever that is, then thats your problem.
Your sole purposes in citing scripture is to weaponize them against believers.
You see everything through the prism of your delusions about what it means to be a Christian, a title which you are too cowardly to wear because you don't really know Christ, you just know about him.
Yours are the "doctrines of devils."
I promote the teachings of Christ aka the commandments because it is this is the critical criteria for eternal life. IF you dont like it then just ignore it an mosey along the road to damnation.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14 KJV)
As for knowing Christ, the bible was clear that it is the ones who keep the commandments know Christ. You and sonship are talkers and blabbermouths, promoting your church rubbish as doctrines of Christ.
13 Mar 22
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIt also does not say that Jesus was deified in resurrection; it says he was glorified in resurrection, which means he was acknowleged and made manifest. Whether you believe he really was resurrected is another matter.
The one thing the Bible definitely doesn't say is that you will be deified.
13 Mar 22
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDefinitely not. The man has to change the meaning of the word and then promote his false doctrine.
The one thing the Bible definitely doesn't say is that you will be deified.
13 Mar 22
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou are mistaken. The cause of what appears to be contradictions and inconsistencies falls entirely within the realm of interpretation and application.
The Bible is inconsistent in what it teaches. I can provide passages that make clear Jesus was not God and also passages that could be interpreted to suggest He was. It is these contradictions and inconsistencies that fuels Christian disagreements about scripture.
There are no verses in the Bible that contradict the truth with regards to the deity of Jesus. No such proof text exists.
It is a logical fallacy that there are contradictions in the word of truth.