Originally posted by Darfius
Heaven is not a place for obediant servants. It is a place for loving children. If you love God, you'll accept Jesus. If not, you won't.
And accepting Jesus entails........feeding the poor, right? If you love
God, you will love your neighbor as God loves your neighbor, right?
It's not about 'following rules,' (simply being obediant), it's about
living a life of service, right?
Evil are those who have completely abandoned themselves to Satan and to fulfilling their own desires. When Jesus comes again, those who used the soap will be given eternal life and those who languished in the filth will be left to rot in it.
You write, 'completely abandoned.' I will take this to mean that, if
God knows a person was trying as hard as they could to love God, and
tried as hard as they could to love their neighbor, that they haven't
'completely abandoned' themselves. Let's take a good Mormon, for
example. Let's say that s/he loves God to the best of their ability,
and let's say s/he lives a life of service to his/her neighbor.
Has this person 'completely abandoned' her/himself to Satan?
Nemesio
Originally posted by DarfiusI do not condemn fundamentalist xtians; rather, I dispute their limited comprehension of Scripture, and of historic Christianity.
Your lack of knowledge about what you condemn is appalling.
I am well versed in the Bible, in Christian doctrine, and in traditional Christianity. I am also well-read in historic American Fundamentalism. These topics are no longer my primary interest, as they once were.
The Westminster Confession of Faith declares:
"In the unity of the Godhead there be three persons, of one substance, power and eternity; God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son."
This view is consistent with historic Christian beliefs since the major Church councils (Chalcedon, Nicea, etc.). The assertion that the Father or the Holy Ghost died on the cross is inconsistent with these teachings.
The Westminster Confession is consistent upon these points with the Apostle's Creed:
"I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; he descended into hell; the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost; the holy catholic Church; the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting."
Your views, as you have expressed them, differ.
Originally posted by eagles54
PC, you don't really believe that buddhists are about 'happy news', do you? To do so ignores the fact that many, many sincere, compassionate buddhist practitioners having a very realistic view of suffering and its causes. They strive to alleviate suffering for human and non-human beings through their practice.
Maybe I'm just missing the intent of your comment.
I know close to nothing about Buddhism. Other than I believe some buddhist priests reach enlightenment and that is a good thing. I don't believe they have a Hell, but if they believe I were to be condemned to it because I don't share their faith, I would probably care about as much as I do now.
I could see absolutely no point in spending my time or effort trying to dissuade a buddhist from his/her beliefs other than to tell them about the Gospel and my faith. If they however do not believe me, I move on, leave them be. For in my mind, their belief holds no truth to my salvation, I care nothing.
Now if only our militant athiest here in the spirituality forum could share the same outlook to other's faiths.
pc
Originally posted by WulebgrYou are well versed in Catholic Christianity, sir, and they have little to do with what is shared in the Word of God.
I do not condemn fundamentalist xtians; rather, I dispute their limited comprehension of Scripture, and of historic Christianity.
I am well versed in the Bible, in Christian doctrine, and in traditional Christianity. I am also well-read in historic American Fundamentalism. These topics are no longer my primary interest, as they once were.
The [i]Westmi ...[text shortened]... tion of the body; and the life everlasting."
Your views, as you have expressed them, differ.
Jesus was God incarnate. The Holy Spirit is God acting on earth and in His children.
Originally posted by DarfiusNow the Westminster Confession of Faith is Catholic! Thanks for the update.
You are well versed in Catholic Christianity, sir, and they have little to do with what is shared in the Word of God.
Jesus was God incarnate. The Holy Spirit is God acting on earth and in His children.
And accepting Jesus entails........feeding the poor, right? If you love
God, you will love your neighbor as God loves your neighbor, right?
Accepting Jesus entails accepting Jesus. No works whatsoever are required for salvation, as that would be saying Jesus' sacrifice wasn't enough, and that is heretical. Works come as a result of salvation because of the love you have and receive from God.
It's not about 'following rules,' (simply being obediant), it's about
living a life of service, right?
Salvation is about growing in your walk with the Lord.
You write, 'completely abandoned.' I will take this to mean that, if
God knows a person was trying as hard as they could to love God, and
tried as hard as they could to love their neighbor, that they haven't
'completely abandoned' themselves. Let's take a good Mormon, for
example. Let's say that s/he loves God to the best of their ability,
and let's say s/he lives a life of service to his/her neighbor.
There is no such thing as a "good" Mormon as Mormons believe they will become gods when they die. I don't think I need to comment on how heretical that sounds.
Has this person 'completely abandoned' her/himself to Satan?
Yes, because they listened to "doctrine that tickled their ears" rather than the Word of God.
Originally posted by DarfiusHeresy in Christian terms amounts to articulating doctrines inconsistent with historic Christian doctrines.
No, but the idea that God=Jesus=Holy Spirit is not true is heretical, and I assumed Catholic.
Your statement is inconsistent with Christian traditions that have maintained both the unity of the Godhead, and the distinctions between the three persons who comprise this Godhead. At best, your theological arithmetic is a gross disortion of the teachings of the New Testament; but I charge it is more severe than that.
pcaspian claimed, "Jesus = God = Holy Spirit. The same God who destroyed Sodom is the same God that dies on the cross." You, Darfius, are supporting his claim. In so doing, you are confusing the Creator that proceeds from no one, with the Son who proceeds from the Father. Your heresy denies both the power and majesty of the Creator, on the one hand, and the humanity of Jesus, on the other.
Originally posted by DarfiusYour vehement anti-Catholicism leads you away from true Christianity. See the notion of interpretive communities, as articulated by Stanley Fish, in order to comprehend the dangers of literalist readings od sacred texts absent hermeneutical traditions.
No, but the idea that God=Jesus=Holy Spirit is not true is heretical, and I assumed Catholic.
Originally posted by WulebgrTrue Christianity lies in the Word of God, as see in 2nd Timothy:
Your vehement anti-Catholicism leads you away from true Christianity. See the notion of interpretive communities, as articulated by Stanley Fish, in order to comprehend the dangers of literalist readings od sacred texts absent hermeneutical traditions.
3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Originally posted by WulebgrIn John we learn:
Heresy in Christian terms amounts to articulating doctrines inconsistent with historic Christian doctrines.
Your statement is inconsistent with Christian traditions that have maintained both the unity of the Godhead, and the distinctions between the three persons who comprise this Godhead. At best, your theological arithmetic is a gross disortion of the ...[text shortened]... he power and majesty of the Creator, on the one hand, and the humanity of Jesus, on the other.
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
God=Jesus=Holy Spirit.
Jesus was fully God and fully Human.