If anyone is contemplating suicide.

If you never contemplate suicide then this thread is not for you. You may go. Goodbye.

Now that those who have never or would never consider solving their problems by suicide have left, any others I want to tell something to.

Don't kill yourself with a gun or by jumping off a bridge.

Believe in the TERMINATING death of Christ on your behalf and put it to work.

I said believe in the TERMINATING death of Jesus on your behalf and puts its mighty power to work for you killing of everything in you that saddens your life.

Let's start with a verse. Let's start with a promise.

"For the love of Christ constrains us because we have judged this, that One died for all, therefore all died." (2 Cor. 5:14)

"For the love of Christ constrains us because we have judged this, that One died for all, therefore all died." (2 Cor. 5:14)

Paul pioneered in learning to USE the death of Christ. And here not only for forgiveness through His redeeming blood.

But he learned to put to work the DEATH of Christ to liberate himself from many things which plagued him and made him unhappy and feeling hopeless.

Sure he did. Let's start here:

"I ... am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me ... " (See Galatians 2:20)

"What then shall we said" Should we continue in sin that grace may abound?

Absolutely not! We who have died to sin, how shall we still live in it?

Or are you ignorant that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

You have been buried therefore with Him through baptism into His death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so also we might walk in newness of life." (Rom. 6:1-4)

@sonship said
Paul pioneered in learning to USE the death of Christ. And here not only for forgiveness through His redeeming blood.

But he learned to put to work the DEATH of Christ to liberate himself from many things which plagued him and made him unhappy and feeling hopeless.

Sure he did. Let's start here:

"I ... am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I w ...[text shortened]... walk in newness of life." (Rom. 6:1-4)

Let's bring this down to practicality soon.

Let's say you are a woman who is a Christian. Yet you are overcome with rage at the dude who just spoke or did something disrespectful to you.

You may UTILIZE the terminating death of Christ to kill off that which is raging in you and causing severe unhappiness.

Lord Jesus, I am enraged with anger. Lord Jesus by faith stand upon the New Testament revelation - I am crucified with You Lord. I am buried with You Lord Jesus. You died and ALL DIED.

Lord Jesus, I don't believe my feelings. I believe Your word. I don't believe my humiliation. Lord Jesus I believe my co-death with You. Lord Jesus I take YOUR DEATH as my death and my dying with You. Thankyou Lord."

"For if you live according to the flesh you are about to die, but if you by the Spirit put to death the practices of the body you will live." (Rom. 8:13)

This thread is not about eternal punishment.Though you would like to make every thread you see me write in to BE about eternal punishment, this thread is on another subject.

"So also you, reckon yourselves to be dead to sin, but living to God." (Rom. 6:10)

I hope nobody reading this is in a suicidal frame of mind. If however, you are feeling depressed and want a less flippant approach to this serious issue that can affect anyone (theist or non-theist) then, by all means, send me a PM.

I won't judge. But I will listen and signpost you to appropriate Earthly support.

Now in John's Gospel there are three teachings that show how we ought to think of the death of Jesus Christ.

The emphasis of this subject is on ONE mainly. Here are the three and then I refer to the main one for this subject.

1.) He died a redeeming death as the slaughtered Lamb of God.

2.) He died a terminating death as the bronze serpent lifted up in the wilderness.

3.) He died a germinating death to be enlarged into many others like Him.

The death of the Lamb of God (Redeeming) is mainly seen in John 1:29, 35 . That is #1. above.

He died to mutilply Himself as many others like Him. He died a germinating death. That is seen in John 12:24. That is #3. above.

It is #2 we have to look for the TERMINATING death of Christ. By His death He judges all that is of Satan in us and puts it to death via our believing in our co-death with Him

John 3:14,15:

"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up. That everyone who believes into Him may have eternal life."

Send for professional or pseudo professional help if you can.

But I make no apologies for recommending Dr. Jesus.

No one does a truly INSIDE job like Jesus does an inside job.

Can a suicidal person be helped by a psychologist? I certainly hope so. Nothing in this thread is a "Thou Shalt Not See a Psychologist".

Get help from there if you can.

Now, no apologies. Nobody but nobody can do an inside job on your mind, emotion, and will and conscience the way Jesus Christ can do an inside healing.

IF you can get help from a professional, DO IT.
But this thread is about Dr. Jesus Christ, the Great Physician, who can get down on a molecular level, an atomic level, indeed a quantum level in your soul like no doctor can. Bless their well needed profession.

No one can get down to the inward nitty gritty of your being like Jesus Christ can. That is why you are scare to say -

"Lord Jesus, I receive You into my heart - Lord and Savior."


Think about it. In your GUT you know that if you do that something very deep will happen to you. And someone screams in your ear - "Don't do that! Don't do that! Pay $100 an hour to a psychologist and get medication which costs you a bundle. But don't turn your very HEART over to Jesus."

Get help from a professional by all means. We don't forbid it.
But Christ when received will do a deeper work in your soul.

" ... and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the inward parts and the hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your works." (Rev. 2:23b)

@divegeester said
Will those who do kill themselves be tortured forever by your version of Jesus?

Why are you ignoring my legitimate question sonship?

"He who believes into the Son has eternal life; but he who disobeys the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him." (John 3:36)

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I hope nobody reading this is in a suicidal frame of mind. If however, you are feeling depressed and want a less flippant approach to this serious issue that can affect anyone (theist or non-theist) then, by all means, send me a PM.

I won't judge. But I will listen and signpost you to appropriate Earthly support.

Applying the death of Christ for freedom from nuisance faults by faith is on the same principle of applying the blood of Christ for freedom from condemnation.

We believers apply the redemption of Christ and supernatural PEACE pervades our hearts. We know that its source is not from us.

We believers can also, in exact like manner, apply the death of Christ to besetting habits through faith. And the result is the same. Quite apart from our generation, our concoction GRACE empowers us to overcome.

The price paid is you die with Christ so that you can live by Christ.

"But my EGO, I just love!"

You'll love your life more when you see how effective a partnership operates - letting Jesus Christ grace you, live in you.

Consider this again as we look once more at Paul's proclamation.

"I [ego] am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who loves in me;

and the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the [i[faith[/i] of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

I do not nullify the grace of God; ...." (Gal. 2:20,21a)