If anyone is contemplating suicide.

@sonship said
@divegeester

I told you before that I did not have a belief that suicide is a mortal sin leading to eternal punishment necessarily.

If I told you before, why are you re-asking ? And if you are SO very tired of me why are you following me to converse ?

Where did you answer me about John 3:36 ?

Are all non-existent people abiding under the wrath of God ?
Where?
Where?
Where?

@sonship said

I think perhaps you are muddling 'psychologists' for 'farmers.'

Nope. The data I am familiar with is not current. But I think in the late 70s and into the 80s I recall that psychologist therapists had the highest number of suicides.

Not farmers.

@suzianne said
Perhaps you were only focusing on 'professions', but the one group in the US singularly affected by suicide is our military veterans.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/21/us/22-veteran-suicides-a-day/index.html

First time I ran across this data, I was shocked. After having interaction since then with the homeless, a large percentage of which are military veterans, I am not ...[text shortened]... em.

https://www.usveteransmagazine.com/2017/09/shocking-military-suicide-rates-identifying-signs/

@divegeester

We are fundamentally opposed when it comes to the mercies of Jesus Christ. You believe he was last seen in the bible overseeing the endless torture of billions, while I... do not.

@sonship said
@divegeester

We are fundamentally opposed when it comes to the mercies of Jesus Christ. You believe he was last seen in the bible overseeing the endless torture of billions, while I... do not.

I do not believe that that is how Jesus Christ is "last seen". YOU are stumbled to such a degree by chapter 14 that in YOUR offended mind that is the "last" thin ...[text shortened]... amb and the New Jerusalem within a new heaven and a new earth is more the "last seen" matter to me.

@sonship said
@divegeester
I do not believe that that is how Jesus Christ is "last seen". YOU are stumbled to such a degree by chapter 14 that in YOUR offended mind that is the "last" thin amb and the New Jerusalem within a new heaven and a new earth is more the "last seen" matter to me.

Here’s a passage for all you hellfire and burning believers to have a look and and tell me this; which bits are literal and which are metaphors and symbolisms?

From Revelation 19

I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True.
With justice he judges and wages war.
His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns.
He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.
Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations.
“He will rule them with an iron scepter.”
He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.
On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: king of kings and lord of lords.
And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”
Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army.
But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf.
With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.
The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh

I’m betting that it is ALL metaphors...EXCEPT the lake of sculpture and the burning ... am I right?

What a desperately sad doctrine of death it is that you cling to.

@divegeester said
Here’s a passage for all you hellfire and burning believers to have a look and and tell me this; which bits are literal and which are metaphors and symbolisms?

From Revelation 19

I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True.
With justice he judges and wages war.
His eyes are like blazing fire, and on h ...[text shortened]... and the burning ... am I right?

What a desperately sad doctrine of death it is that you cling to.

Anyone want to take up the challenge in my previous post...?

@divegeester said
Anyone want to take up the challenge in my previous post...?

@divegeester said
Here’s a passage for all you hellfire and burning believers to have a look and and tell me this; which bits are literal and which are metaphors and symbolisms?

From Revelation 19

I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True.
With justice he judges and wages war.
His eyes are like blazing fire, and on h ...[text shortened]... and the burning ... am I right?

What a desperately sad doctrine of death it is that you cling to.

@FMF

Is Jesus portrayed as overseeing the torture according to Chapter 14?

"If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand. He also shall drink the wine of the fury of God, which is mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath, and he shall be tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb.

And the smoke of their tormenting goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name. " (Rev. 14:9b-11)

@divegeester

I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True.

With justice he judges and wages war.

His eyes are like blazing fire,

and on his head are many crowns.

He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.

[/quote] He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. [/quote]
In this case this is the blood of His enemies whom He is crushing in defeat. This hails back to Isaiah 63:1-3.

The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.

" ... for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready. And it was given to her that she should be clothed in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteousnesses [sic] of the saints."

"And the armies which are in heaven followed Him on white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean."

Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations.

“He will rule them with an iron scepter.”

And he who overcomes and he who keeps My works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations;

And he will shepherd them with an iron rod, as vessels of pottery are broken in pieces, as I also have received from My Father." (Rec. 2:26,27)

He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.

On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: king of kings and lord of lords.

And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army.

But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf.
With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.
The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh

I’m betting that it is ALL metaphors...EXCEPT the lake of sculpture and the burning ... am I right?

What a desperately sad doctrine of death it is that you cling to.