If anyone is contemplating suicide.

I am going to BED now folks.

FMF do your best to interpret my absence for a spell as some asinine feather in your trolling cap. I "disappeared" or some other self congradulatory delusion.

@sonship said
I am going to BED now folks.

FMF do your best to interpret my absence for a spell as some asinine feather in your trolling cap. I "disappeared" or some other self congradulatory delusion.

@FMF

If a Muslim friend of yours was contemplating suicide, would you counsel them to turn towards their faith, and those who share it, if it would save the person's life

@sonship said
FMF do your best to interpret my absence for a spell as some asinine feather in your trolling cap. I "disappeared" or some other self congradulatory delusion.

@kellyjay said
Metaphors are used to be representative or symbolic of something else, do you have
what it is this text was to represent if it were not all literal? I believe you said earlier
you did know, if you don't know, why not take it as literal? If you cannot take that
as literal, what else don't you believe, you and thinkofone have list some where of
what is and isn't good scripture?

@sonship said

He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.

That is the fury of His victory at the battle of Armageddon.
The Hebrew word there is meaningful. I believe that it means "Lure into in order to crush".

Check me on that. Christ will sovereignty gather the worst of the offenders against God's coming to reign, into one place to crush t ...[text shortened]... King of kings and Lord of lords.

Maybe you are looking at its major theme from the wrong angle.

@divegeester

So which part is literal.

Berean Literal Bible
And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed out of the winepress, as high as the bridles of the horses, to the distance of one thousand six hundred stadia.

New American Standard Bible
And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses' bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.

King James Bible
And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

I have trodden the wine trough alone, And from the peoples there was no man with Me, And I trod them in My anger And trampled them in My wrath;

And their lifeblood is sprinkled on My garments.

And I have stained all My apparel."

A prayer of faith utilizing the benefit of the work of Christ's death:

"Lord Jesus. Die for me. Lord Jesus, I believe that Your death is effective for me as too your resurrection and living forever."

One of the ingredients of the Spirit is the death of Christ.
That is why Paul could say "by the Spirit, put to death ..."

In the Holy Spirit is the killing off power of Christ's death.
That is why Paul could say "we have been baptized into His death".

The life impartation is in the Spirit. But also the terminating death of Christ is an ingredient of the Spirit. That is why Paul could say "we have been buried with Him through baptism into His death." .

The slaying power of Jesus dying is an ingredient of the Holy Spirit ready to be utilized by faith. That is what Paul can say - "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts."

If you put two dead people in a room and lock the door, guaranteed you will hear no disturbance in that room.

Because the terminating power of His cross death is an ingredient of the Holy Spirit Paul can say that he has died to the world and the world has died to him.

I did not start this thread to be flippant. Paul is a man who PIONEERED in deriving complete benefit from EVERYTHING Jesus was and accomplished. This includes the power of His dying.

Paul used that power.
Available to him and to every believer in Christ is the all-inclusive death of Jesus Christ with its power to kill off "germs" of all kinds in our old being.

Paul laid hold of and channeled the death of Christ to terminate, kill off, put to an end, and purge all kinds of negative aspects in his fallen being.

The more Christ's death worked in him the more spiritual life flowed out of him to his congregations!

Sure. Look.

"Always bearing about in the body the putting to death of Jesus that the life of Jesus also may be nanifested in our body.

For we who are alive are always being delivered unto death for Jesus' sake that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh.

So then death operates in us, but life in you." (2 Cor. 4:10-12)

"So then death operates in us, but life in you." (v.12)

@sonship said
I did not start this thread to be flippant. Paul is a man who PIONEERED in deriving complete benefit from EVERYTHING Jesus was and accomplished. This includes the power of His dying.

Paul used that power.
Available to him and to every believer in Christ is the all-inclusive death of Jesus Christ with its power to kill off "germs" of all kinds in our old being.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

I accept your flippancy was clumsy rather than premeditated.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

I accept your flippancy was clumsy rather than premeditated.

Would you agree that the more significant a person's life was the more significant their death is ?

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

You may value all life. But wouldn't you think that the significance of the death of, say Napoleon, is more significant then the death of your neighbor's pet dog ?

About the same ?

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

You may value all life. But wouldn't you think that the significance of the death of, say Napoleon, is more significant then the death of your neighbor's pet dog ?

About the same ?