If you were God?

Originally posted by telerion
Then the alternative world posed by myself and others here works then. So why did your god want people to suffer forever?

I never said he did.
Kelly

Originally posted by whodey
In your little scenerio it would seem that man is not repsonsible for his actions, ie sins. Man is simply going through the motions and in no way should be held accountable for his choices in life. I know some who feel this way, however, I am not one of them. Most people that I have met who have a similar mind set often blame society as a whole or their parents rather than God, however.

Of course man is responsible for his actions in my scenario. There's no difference fundamental difference between the alternative world and the one that we have now. The only difference is that some people that have existed in this world would not exist in the other world. Everything else in terms of free will and love and responsibility and the option to sin, etc. is exactly the same.

Originally posted by telerion
The alternative world is no more fixed than the current one. In either world, god knows before hand who would choose to sin and who would not. To put it in Darfius' terms 'who would choose to serve God' and who would not. If I apply your argument back upon you, I could claim that I really don't have free will because God made me knowing that I would choos ...[text shortened]... er of his god, it is more consistent I believe than what xians in this thread have argued.

You saying no one has free will and one that says it does, doesn't
change anything. You either have a choice and can be held
accountable for it, or you don't. If you have a choice it is your
choice to make, the fact that some make one and others another
does not mean that they were 'fixed' to do it, it only means they
made it.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You either have a choice and can be held
accountable for it, or you don't. If you have a choice it is your
choice to make, the fact that some make one and others another
does not mean that they were 'fixed' to do it, it only means they
made it.
Kelly

Exactly. Thank you.

Originally posted by telerion
Of course man is responsible for his actions in my scenario. There's no difference fundamental difference between the alternative world and the one that we have now. The only difference is that some people that have existed in this world would not exist in the other world. Everything else in terms of free will and love and responsibility and the option to sin, etc. is exactly the same.

I don't buy that, if everything were the same, except... than
not everything is the same.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't buy that, if everything were the same, except... than
not everything is the same.
Kelly

Of course. One thing is different. This does not change the nature of the choice of the individuals that exist. They have a choice to serve your god or not serve your god. They just happen to be people that choose to serve your god.

Originally posted by telerion
Of course. One thing is different. This does not change the nature of the choice of the individuals that exist. They have a choice to serve your god or not serve your god. They just happen to be people that choose to serve your god.

The choices occuring now are being done in the middle of a war.
The war is the spiritual battle taking place, on top of our spiritual
nature which is at odds with the Spirit of God, the choices taking
place now are not being done in the 'perfect' condition that Adam
and Eve had to deal with. So the conditions are not the same and
could not be, it is simply now us dealing with the cards we are
being dealt.
Kelly

Originally posted by telerion
Of course man is responsible for his actions in my scenario. There's no difference fundamental difference between the alternative world and the one that we have now. The only difference is that some people that have existed in this world would not exist in the other world. Everything else in terms of free will and love and responsibility and the option to sin, etc. is exactly the same.

So in your scenerio, people like yourself would never exist since you do not believe in God. Is this a better you think?

Originally posted by whodey
So in your scenerio, people like yourself would never exist since you do not believe in God. Is this a better you think?

Never having existed would be better than an eternity in hell, don't you think?

Originally posted by dottewell
Never having existed would be better than an eternity in hell, don't you think?

You tell me. Assuming God is real, would you have preferred to have never been born?

Originally posted by whodey
You tell me. Assuming God is real, would you have preferred to have never been born?

Describe hell.

Originally posted by dottewell
Describe hell.

Seperation from the living God ie eternal death.

Originally posted by whodey
Seperation from the living God ie eternal death.

Okay. I'd probably take having existed, then.

However, from a god's eye view, he'd have been better not creating me, and perhaps creating another in my stead. Which is the point of this thread.

Originally posted by dottewell
Okay. I'd probably take having existed, then.

However, from a god's eye view, he'd have been better not creating me, and perhaps creating another in my stead. Which is the point of this thread.

If you look at the Biblical definition of love I have provided in my above post you may understand God's eye view. As the saying goes, "It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all" All those who would have accepted him will have existed. Why would he limit his love to only those chosen few, however.

Originally posted by whodey
If you look at the Biblical definition of love I have provided in my above post you may understand God's eye view. As the saying goes, "It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all" All those who would have accepted him will have existed. Why would he limit his love to only those chosen few, however.

Is a world in which more people choose god a better world?