22 Apr 19
@kellyjay saidIn the matter of 'not mentioning harm coming to one's family in an an analogy', the ball is completely in your court.
So if you twist my words again for that, you can accuse me of being anything you want, you'll never get a response from me again on any topic for any reason or cause
22 Apr 19
@kellyjay saidI have never suggested that the personal perspectives you and I share might not be flawed. Your compass and your weights and scales are all a subjective synthesis of all the things you have learned and experiences, squeezed through the unique valve of your personhood and character.
Going through the discussion here, personal perspectives were shown to be flawed even looking at the simple things like the horizonal and vertical so we need plumb lines and levels, looking for direction we have gone over this we need a compass, looking at weights we need scales, we are not the best judges even in the physical world to perceive what is and isn't true.
22 Apr 19
@kellyjay saidI cannot imagine how anyone could have "nothing that helps them see 'truth' in the world where morals are concerned". Everybody's moral compass is "helped" [formed, applied, modified] by a whole range of stimuli and events and lessons learned.
If we have nothing that helps us see truth in the world where morals are concern that anyone can hang their opinions upon air anywhere.
@fmf saidOkay, I was hoping we could put this behind us but I guess not. I never mentioned your wife and kids. If you are going to continue with this, from here on out say what you will.
The ball is in your court, KellyJay. If you cease and desist with stuff about my wife and kids, we are good.
22 Apr 19
@kellyjay saidI also believe that my life has meaning. If, in your opinion, that meaning - and direction - and "help" with the moral soundness of your decisions and behaviour - comes from your religion, then that is good.
I believe life has meaning, but where is it, if we can find it if nothing but opinions, if that is all we have?
@kellyjay saidI said this:
I never mentioned your wife and kids.
The "fear of reprisal" thing doesn't work on people who don't believe that there is anything real to justify or instil the "fear". That's why the threats of being 'tormented in burning flames for eternity' are morally incoherent with regard to non-Christians and other non-believers. There is no threat of "eternal torment" or "love" of a supernatural being that's motivating me to be a morally sound person.
And your reply was:
Some body in your home starts doing damage to you, your family, your property even from within your family you think consequences are not justified?
And I say, cut it out. And I undertake not to mention your home or your family or people doing damage to them in order to make a supposed 'debating point'. Mentioning "damage" to my family is not going to persuade me that "eternal torment" is morally sound, so leave them out of it. I will likewise leave your family out of it.
@kellyjay saidTwo contradictory opinions can’t both be true regardless of how firmly they are believed to be true. If you are of the opinion that God exists and FMF is of the opinion that He doesn’t exist, one of your opinions is wrong and one of them is true they can’t both be true.
What truth, you have only opinions don't you?
@dj2becker saidPerhaps God only exists for KellyJay?
Two contradictory opinions can’t both be true regardless of how firmly they are believed to be true. If you are of the opinion that God exists and FMF is of the opinion that He doesn’t exist, one of your opinions is wrong and one of them is true they can’t both be true.
22 Apr 19
@dj2becker saidYou are forgetting, KellyJay doesn’t express his “opinions” when he posts he posts truth. It is just coincidental that the truth which he posts happens to be the same as the opinions which holds but doesn’t post.
Two contradictory opinions can’t both be true regardless of how firmly they are believed to be true. If you are of the opinion that God exists and FMF is of the opinion that He doesn’t exist, one of your opinions is wrong and one of them is true they can’t both be true.
@wolfgang59 saidIf God does in fact exist his existence is not dependent on FMF believing it.
Perhaps God only exists for KellyJay?
@wolfgang59 saidWell that is the debate isn't it? If its all opinions than nothing any of us say is of any real consequence to anyone else; however, if there is a truth we are pointing to that has real world consequences for everyone that truth not our opinion of it will come crashing down on everyone!
Perhaps God only exists for KellyJay?