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29 Nov 05

royalchicken

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04 Dec 05

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Here comes the PPPP.

I spoke to Hrothgar; he informs me (I'm paraphrasing) that pure pairs of Ps are the paragon of profanity. Unless you feel very strongly about this, I recommend substituting 'CCCC'.

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04 Dec 05

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Originally posted by royalchicken
I spoke to Hrothgar; he informs me (I'm paraphrasing) that pure pairs of Ps are the paragon of profanity. Unless you feel very strongly about this, I recommend substituting 'CCCC'.

So be it. What's in a name? That which we call this Christian Debate Tactic by any other word would be just as slick.

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04 Dec 05

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
So be it. What's in a name? That which we call this Christian Debate Tactic by any other word would be just as slick.

Hrothgar thinks that you understand connotation about as well as someone who views the entire world as a divine axiom-system.

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04 Dec 05

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Originally posted by royalchicken
Hrothgar thinks that you understand connotation about as well as someone who views the entire world as a divine axiom-system.

Hroth can pounce on Barney's purple pole. Connotation is for pansies. Denotation is divine.

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04 Dec 05

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Hroth can pounce on Barney's purple pole. Connotation is for pansies. Denotation is divine.

From atop the purple pole, Hrothgar acknowledges that you're right, but, being the incredibly diplomatic berserker we know he is, he points out that when coaching people it's best not to swear at them.

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06 Dec 05

Bump for Coletti.

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06 Dec 05

Originally posted by Nemesio
Ah! Here we go.

So, will you concede that someone could entirely disbelieve the story of Jonah (say)
as a history, but embrace wholly its moral message and still be a Christian.

Nemesio

No, I do not concede that - I agree with that. I don't think being a Christian is defined by believing that Jonah's story was literal - but I would wonder why he asserts it is not. After all, we are dealing with a supernatural being.

What makes would cause someone to disbelieve Jonah was literal swallowed by a whale. If God can move mountains, Jesus can turn water into wine, and there is no limit to the power God has over creation - then why assert that Jonah is not literal? If Jonah's story was a metaphor, then why not Jesus's? And by what authority could one justify asserting Jonah is story is not literal.

However, Christian's can make mistakes in interpretation and still be saved.

Does a literal view of Jonah contradict other Scripture?

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06 Dec 05

Originally posted by Coletti
If Jonah's story was a metaphor, then why not Jesus's?

Now you're coming around. Keep going, you're almost there!

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06 Dec 05

Originally posted by David C
Now you're coming around. Keep going, you're almost there!

Yep. Keep going down that path and all truth becomes metaphor or analogy - and all objective knowledge is lost.

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06 Dec 05

Originally posted by Coletti
Yep. Keep going down that path and all truth becomes metaphor or analogy - and all objective knowledge is lost.

Not all, C-dog, don't be hysterical. Just a Big One that you've come to accept in error.

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06 Dec 05

Originally posted by David C
Not all, C-dog, don't be hysterical. Just a Big One that you've come to accept in error.

Please enlighten me of my error without begging the question.

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06 Dec 05

Originally posted by Coletti
Please enlighten me of my error without begging the question.

That Jesus wasn't a metaphor (an allegory, really), 'cause he was. Am I begging it?

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06 Dec 05

Originally posted by David C
That Jesus wasn't a metaphor (an allegory, really), 'cause he was. Am I begging it?

Yep. Like a starving puppy.

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06 Dec 05

Originally posted by Coletti
Yep. Like a starving puppy.

How so? Enlighten. Remember, you're the one who claims he was a real person, and spare me an ad populum via gospels.

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07 Dec 05

Originally posted by Coletti
No, I do not concede that - I agree with that. I don't think being a Christian is defined by believing that Jonah's story was literal - but I would wonder why he asserts it is not. After all, we are dealing with a supernatural being.

You really struggle with terms. You'll note that I wrote:

[w]ill you concede that someone COULD entirely disbelieve the story of Jonah...
as a history, but embrace wholly its moral message and still be a Christian.

I'm not suggesting that it is necessary that he assert it. I'm saying that it is unnecessary
for him to do so.

I'll ask the question again: Do you concede my point?

Nemesio