@pb1022 saidIt is obvious that you think God is a tremendous resource for Christians only, which contradicts your claim that you dont look down on other religions.
I think people who take the time to look into evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ will come away convinced the Resurrection happened *if they have an open mind when they look into it.*
Sadly, most people won’t bother and (I think) figure they’ll deal with the afterlife when/if it comes. They don’t realize or believe God is a tremendous resource and help while we’re on earth.
Also there is no evidence of Jesus telling anyone that they have to believe in his Resurrection.
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@rajk999 saidI didn’t say God only helps Christians. Obviously God leading a non-Christian to a saving knowledge and belief in Jesus Christ is a huge help, though I believe He helps non-Christians in other ways.
It is obvious that you think God is a tremendous resource for Christians only, which contradicts your claim that you dont look down on other religions.
Also there is no evidence of Jesus telling anyone that they have to believe in his Resurrection.
As to your other comment:
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
(John 11:25-26)
@pb1022 saidThat first paragraph shows clearly that you think Christianity is superior to all other religions ... you are just blind.
I didn’t say God only helps Christians. Obviously God leading a non-Christian to a saving knowledge and belief in Jesus Christ is a huge help, though I believe He helps non-Christians in other ways.
As to your other comment:
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
(John 11:25-26)
When Jesus preached to many thousands and thousands you ignore those teachings and these teachings to the masses is what the Gospel is.
Instead you seek out passages where Jesus speaks to one individual alone and claim that that teaching is REQUIRED otherwise you are damned. Nicodemus is another such example.
So the masses in the time of Christ never heard about this resurrection ONLY THIS WOMAN. The masses never heard of being born again ONLY NICODEMUS heard that.
Yet you lack the ability to see the flaw in your church gospel.
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@rajk999 saidSo you’ve gone from believing everything Jesus said to only believing what He said to masses of people?
That first paragraph shows clearly that you think Christianity is superior to all other religions ... you are just blind.
When Jesus preached to many thousands and thousands you ignore those teachings and these teachings to the masses is what the Gospel is.
Instead you seek out passages where Jesus speaks to one individual alone and claim that that teaching is REQUIRED ...[text shortened]... ain ONLY NICODEMUS heard that.
Yet you lack the ability to see the flaw in your church gospel.
Are His words to individuals not in red in your Holy Bible?
And Jesus said - and said more than once - that He would rise on the third day. Was He lying?
And yeah, of course Christianity is superior to other religions. Because it’s true.
I once heard an agnostic say that everyone worships the same God; we just call Him different names.
You know what the problem with that is? Christianity is the only religion that asserts Jesus Christ was/is God in the flesh. All other religions reject that idea.
Jesus Christ is the dividing line. You either believe what He said about Himself is true or you don’t. There’s no middle ground.
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And you changed what you were accusing me of.
First you claimed I believe God only helps Christians, which is false and which I said was false.
Then you claimed I think Christianity is superior to other religions, which is absolutely true.
@pb1022 saidThere is something really messed up with your ability to think clearly and to reason and this makes communication with you very difficult. So we will just leave it at that.
So you’ve gone from believing everything Jesus said to only believing what He said to masses of people?
Are His words to individuals not in red in your Holy Bible?
And Jesus said - and said more than once - that He would rise on the third day. Was He lying?
And yeah, of course Christianity is superior to other religions. Because it’s true.
I once heard an agnostic ...[text shortened]... line. You either believe what He said about Himself is true or you don’t. There’s no middle ground.
Anyway, Christianity has chosen to follow the teachings of Paul and this is not superior to core Gospel which Jesus taught to the masses. What Jesus said privately to Nicodemus, or other individuals even privately to the disciples about his death and resurrection, does not represent the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ which is what people must DO TO GET ETERNAL LIFE.
Your church gospel has removed these critical teachings and has instead found other teachings which Jesus never preached to the masses of people, and proclaimed that these MUST BE FOLLOWED. They are wrong and that makes Christianity a second rate religion. Second to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
The Gospel Message of Jesus Christ is superior to everything else, and all who obeys this Gospel will get eternal life in the Kingdom of God
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@rajk999 said<<There is something really messed up with your ability to think clearly and to reason and this makes communication with you very difficult. So we will just leave it at that.>>
There is something really messed up with your ability to think clearly and to reason and this makes communication with you very difficult. So we will just leave it at that.
Anyway, Christianity has chosen to follow the teachings of Paul and this is not superior to core Gospel which Jesus taught to the masses. What Jesus said privately to Nicodemus, or other individuals ev ...[text shortened]... perior to everything else, and all who obeys this Gospel will get eternal life in the Kingdom of God
Yep, this is one of your usual responses when your argument’s been blown out of the water. But you forgot to call me “dummy” and claim I’m going to hell.
<<Anyway, Christianity has chosen to follow the teachings of Paul and this is not superior to core Gospel which Jesus taught to the masses.>>
I thought you said a few days ago that Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul taught the same Gospel. Now you say they didn’t? Jesus Christ personally selected Paul to teach His Gospel. Did Jesus make a mistake in doing that?
<<What Jesus said privately to Nicodemus, or other individuals even privately to the disciples about his death and resurrection, does not represent the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ>>
The Gospel is the Gospel. You’ve gone from being a red-letter Christian to being a red-letter Christian who only believes the red letters when they were spoken to masses of people.
<<which is what people must DO TO GET ETERNAL LIFE.>>
Yep. Here it is!
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
(John 3:3-6)
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
(John 6:40)
<<Your church gospel>>
There is no “church gospel.” There’s one Gospel - and that’s the Good News of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the center of the Gospel - not you and your feeble efforts to earn righteousness (right standing) with Gods.
<<has removed these critical teachings and has instead found other teachings which Jesus never preached to the masses of people, and proclaimed that these MUST BE FOLLOWED.>>
Believe what Jesus Christ said about Himself or don’t.
It’s clear you don’t believe Jesus Christ was/is God in the flesh and was Resurrected and you don’t believe the Holy Spirit indwells people who have accepted and believe in Jesus Christ. Why not just admit it? A lot of people don’t believe that. Why are you so reluctant to admit it?
<<They are wrong and that makes Christianity a second rate religion.>>
So you only believe what Jesus Christ said when He said it to masses of people. Do you see the contortions that your false gospel forces you to perform?
<<Second to the teachings of Jesus Christ.>>
Your false gospel is all about you - your good works, your efforts at Law keeping, your obedience (or lack thereof) to the commandments. It’s all you, you, you.
The real Gospel is all about Jesus Christ and what He has done and continues to do.
Stop worshipping yourself and start worshipping Jesus.
<<The Gospel Message of Jesus Christ is superior to everything else, and all who obeys this Gospel will get eternal life in the Kingdom of God>>
I notice you’re now calling it the “Gospel message” instead of just the “Gospel.” More silly word games and contortions to paper over all the flaws in your false gospel.
You don’t believe Jesus was who He said He was and you don’t believe what He said unless He said it to masses of people.
This is where your false gospel has led you.
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His "gospel" is a "good news" that a man does not need Jesus.
That is his "good news".
OF course to teach man does not need Jesus he knows will be rejected.
So it is packaged euphemistically in talk about "the commandments of Jesus".
This person's "good news" about the commandments of Jesus is his back door way of teaching "Don't take Jesus. Just take the commandments of Jesus."
The NT says that law was given by Moses but grace and truth came through Jesus. Grace and truth are really a living Person - Christ Himself.
"For the law was given through Moses; grace and reality [or truth] came through Jesus Christ." (John 1:17 RcV)
Rajk999 would change this to:
"For the law was given through Moses. Then the law was given again through Jesus".
This is his "gospel" of no need for Jesus to be known or received.
The law was given through Moses. Then Jesus came and gave more of the law.
It is subtle.
It can fool some people.
It is an antichrist teaching of "another Jesus" one who need not have been raised from the dead as Lord.
I have had over seven or eight years to consider it an analyze it and see right through its pretensions.
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@pb1022 saidSee, it's this straight-laced idea of what the theory of evolution is that drives me nuts.
I understand what you’re saying and agree for the most part, but I disagree that all belief systems as they pertain to God and salvation are legitimate.
But I don’t look down on anyone for their spiritual beliefs. I find atheism and the theory of evolution to be pretty indefensible, but I think for a lot of atheists, the theory of evolution is simply a way to justify their atheism.
To me, evolution verifies a God. More Christians should embrace it, instead of fighting tooth and nail over it.
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@pb1022 saidTake a look at this movie I saw on Netflix over the weekend.
I think people who take the time to look into evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ will come away convinced the Resurrection happened *if they have an open mind when they look into it.*
Sadly, most people won’t bother and (I think) figure they’ll deal with the afterlife when/if it comes. They don’t realize or believe God is a tremendous resource and help while we’re on earth.
It's called "The Shack" and it stars Sam Worthington.
I thought it's portrayal of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit was spot on. I'd be interested to hear your views.
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@suzianne saidHow does evolution verify a God?
See, it's this straight-laced idea of what the theory of evolution is that drives me nuts.
To me, evolution verifies a God. More Christians should embrace it, instead of fighting tooth and nail over it.
And I have no problem with microevolution. That’s what Darwin observed.
But Darwin’s hypothesis that one species turns into another species by an unguided process of variation (later random mutations) and natural selection is ridiculous.
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@suzianne saidI don’t have Netflix but will check to see if I can watch it another way.
Take a look at this movie I saw on Netflix over the weekend.
It's called "The Shack" and it stars Sam Worthington.
I thought it's portrayal of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit was spot on. I'd be interested to hear your views.