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23 Aug 05
Checkbaitor, The use of the genitive case in image of God(tou theou) shows possession. Jesus possessed the same quality as God, I consider E.W. Bullinger's opinion as suspect at best. As much as many people disagree with Jesus' status of God, the N.T. Greek explicitly supports it. Presently, I am pretty busy with Algebra and exercising, but once I have some free time, I will investigate a couple of other scripture passages. Exegesis takes up alot of time, but it is enlightening. All the best.
23 Aug 05
Originally posted by LangtreeBeing in the image of God, the firstborn of all creation belies any
Checkbaitor, The use of the genitive case in image of God(tou theou) shows possession. Jesus possessed the same quality as God, I consider E.W. Bullinger's opinion as suspect at best. As much as many people disagree with Jesus' status of God, the N.T. Greek explicitly supports it. Presently, I am pretty busy with Algebra and exercising, but once I have ...[text shortened]... ther scripture passages. Exegesis takes up alot of time, but it is enlightening. All the best.
claim that he existed before creation, as God is (before anything was,
I AM).
I hope you post some passages from the Greek. I would be
interested in reading them.
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23 Aug 05
Originally posted by Langtreelater in the same chapter is " .. the word was made flesh..."
I haven't read every post, but I'll make my input. There are several scriptures which give support to the deity of Jesus Christ. John 1:1, En arche hv o' logos kai o'logos nv pros ton theon, kai theos hn o' logos. To understand why this verse supports the deity of Jesus, is to understand the that Greek sentence structure doesn't follow English. T ...[text shortened]... nding, which s. According to this passage the Word, which is Jesus is God. God was the Word.🙂
John was more of a church driven document than Matthew, Mark and even Luke. The Gospel of Thomas was written much earlier than John the church didn't like that one and inserted their own into the book.
you ought to translate Thomas from it's original? Greek (some parts did survive the church's suppression efforts) at least for the purpose of comparing it to the Coptic and the synodics
25 Aug 05
Originally posted by checkbaitorHe is not God, 'cause there's only one God. the scriptures have never promoted three Gods. there is a Godhead, but no trinity.
I don't think so...The bible calls Him the son of God. Never mentions a trinity, nor godman, nor does it imply that 3=1.
25 Aug 05
Originally posted by checkbaitorAbsolutely Jesus is both God and a man. The Trinity is implicit in scripture as is the humanity of Christ. Jesus was a unique individual, able to suffer and be tempted like any man, and yet with all the authority and without any sin as only God can be.
I don't think so...The bible calls Him the son of God. Never mentions a trinity, nor godman, nor does it imply that 3=1.
25 Aug 05
Originally posted by Colettihow can there be implicity when the scriptures make no reference to a trinity. he has the likeness of God, but he's not God.
Absolutely Jesus is both God and a man. The Trinity is implicit in scripture as is the humanity of Christ. Jesus was a unique individual, able to suffer and be tempted like any man, and yet with all the authority and without any sin as only God can be.
25 Aug 05
Originally posted by lamarrswails"Trinity" is just a term used to describe the nature of the Godhead as three persons, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. The deity and humanity of Christ is implicit in scripture. The unity of God is explicit. That Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are three distinguish persons is explicit in scripture. "Trinity" is simply a term used to pull those scriptural elements together.
how can there be implicity when the scriptures make no reference to a trinity. he has the likeness of God, but he's not God.
25 Aug 05
Originally posted by Colettiwell for one God is not three persons 'cause for one the Holy Spirirt is not a person, and you can't place a term on something to which the scriptures make no reference to at all.
"Trinity" is just a term used to describe the nature of the Godhead as three persons, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. The deity and humanity of Christ is implicit in scripture. The unity of God is explicit. That Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are three distinguish persons is explicit in scripture. "Trinity" is simply a term used to pull those scriptural elements together.
25 Aug 05
Originally posted by Colettic'mon Coletti, blast these guys , I'm rooting for you to whup butt on this one.
"Trinity" is just a term used to describe the nature of the Godhead as three persons, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. The deity and humanity of Christ is implicit in scripture. The unity of God is explicit. That Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are three distinguish persons is explicit in scripture. "Trinity" is simply a term used to pull those scriptural elements together.
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25 Aug 05
Originally posted by ColettiI have heard all this before. Can you show me in scripture where any of what you say is referenced?😴
"Trinity" is just a term used to describe the nature of the Godhead as three persons, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. The deity and humanity of Christ is implicit in scripture. The unity of God is explicit. That Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are three distinguish persons is explicit in scripture. "Trinity" is simply a term used to pull those scriptural elements together.
26 Aug 05
Originally posted by lamarrswailsThe Holy Spirit is quite clearly translated in English Bibles as a 'he' rather than an 'it'. Are you saying that's wrong?
well for one God is not three persons 'cause for one the Holy Spirirt is not a person, and you can't place a term on something to which the scriptures make no reference to at all.
26 Aug 05
Originally posted by orfeowell show me where there are physical references to the Holy Spirit. we all know that Christ was flesh. we also know that God has physical features 'cause He told Moses that no man could see His (Gods'😉 face and live.
The Holy Spirit is quite clearly translated in English Bibles as a 'he' rather than an 'it'. Are you saying that's wrong?
27 Aug 05
Originally posted by lamarrswails"Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."
well show me where there are physical references to the Holy Spirit. we all know that Christ was flesh. we also know that God has physical features 'cause He told Moses that no man could see His (Gods'😉 face and live.
Genesis 1:2