27 Dec 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyDo all human beings have human spirit even if they are agnostics, atheists and non-Christians?
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"In context these passages compare an unbeliever [human body and soul] with a believer [human body, soul and spirit]:
"1 Corinthians 2:14 NASB "But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually apprai ...[text shortened]... level to the unbeliever."
http://www.divineviewpoint.com/sane/dbm/setup/1Corinth/1Cor015.htm
27 Dec 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbySo what's a "human spirit"?
Thread 161838 (Page 8)
"In context these passages compare an unbeliever [human body and soul] with a believer [human body, soul and spirit]:
"1 Corinthians 2:14 NASB "But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually apprai ...[text shortened]... level to the unbeliever."
http://www.divineviewpoint.com/sane/dbm/setup/1Corinth/1Cor015.htm
27 Dec 14
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraAn immaterial part of God's design format of human beings which is acquired at the moment of salvation along with eternal life; it enables believers in Christ [trichotomous: body, soul and human spirit] to understand and utilize spiritual truth.
So what's a "human spirit"?
27 Dec 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbySo you believe only Christians have human spirit? Have you ever met any other Christians who profess to believe this?
An immaterial part of God's design format of human beings which is acquired at the moment of salvation along with eternal life; it enables believers in Christ [trichotomous: body, soul and human spirit] to understand and utilize spiritual truth.
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27 Dec 14
This is confusing. I am not familiar with "human" spirit.
All men and woman are born with body and soul. Soul is breath life. It is what animates the humans.
When a human dies, his soul life is gone, ceases to exist. The body of course, decays.
Spirit on the other hand is something completely different. It what a person receives at salvation. It is what connects us to spiritual matters.
That is why a human without spirit cannot know the things of God.
27 Dec 14
Originally posted by checkbaiterThe concept of human spirit is common to many religions and philosophies. I have never heard a Christian claim that having human spirit is exclusive to Christians before. When tackled about this human spirit thing earlier, when he said "It's your soul...", Grampy Bobby appeared to be saying that human spirit and soul are synonymous. He doesn't want to engage, so the confusion remains. I have never heard a Christian claim that non-Christians have no "soul" or "no human spirit" before.
This is confusing. I am not familiar with "human" spirit.
All men and woman are born with body and soul. Soul is breath life. It is what animates the humans.
When a human dies, his soul life is gone, ceases to exist. The body of course, decays.
Spirit on the other hand is something completely different. It what a person receives at salvation. It is w ...[text shortened]... ects us to spiritual matters.
That is why a human without spirit cannot know the things of God.
28 Dec 14
Originally posted by FMFSoul life and physical life are imparted by the Holy Spirit [Neshamah: breath of lives] to a viable fetus [biological life] as it emerges from the mother's womb and takes it's first inhale at the moment of birth [soul life and physical life begin].
The concept of human spirit is common to many religions and philosophies. I have never heard a Christian claim that having human spirit is exclusive to Christians before. When tackled about this human spirit thing earlier, when he said "It's your soul...", Grampy Bobby appeared to be saying that human spirit and soul are synonymous. He doesn't want to engage, so ...[text shortened]... ve never heard a Christian claim that non-Christians have no "soul" or "no human spirit" before.
28 Dec 14
Originally posted by Grampy Bobbysonship and lemon lime do not think that non-Christians have "no human spirit". Is their view in line with Christian doctrine?
Soul life and physical life are imparted by the Holy Spirit [Neshamah: breath of lives] to a viable fetus [biological life] as it emerges from the mother's womb and takes it's first inhale at the moment of birth [soul life and physical life begin].
28 Dec 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIs their view ~ which is contrary to yours, it would seem ~ in line with Christian doctrine, in your view? If they believe that ALL human beings DO have human spirit and a soul, do you believe they are propagating a non-Christian view?
All other believers in Christ around the world are also accountable to God for their priorities in redeeming the time.
28 Dec 14
Originally posted by FMFYou equated "human spirit" with "soul".
But the idea of the "soul" is common to a whole range of religions and philosophies. Followers of the Abrahamic religions typically believe that all human beings have "souls". On the other thread, are you seriously claiming that Christian doctrine says that "agnostics or atheists" along with people who don't believe in Christ, have no "soul" and no "human spirit"?
Is it still your contention that any Christian would deny that atheists (or any non-Christian) have a soul? This is what you were specifically suggesting, so would you care to modify or make any changes in your argument before we proceed?
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Originally posted by lemon limeI have never met a Christian who did ~ Grampy Bobby aside ~ and I certainly did not deny that non-Christians had human spirit/a "soul" when I myself was a Christian.
Is it still your contention that any Christian would deny that atheists (or any non-Christian) have a soul?
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Originally posted by FMFThe term "human spirit" can mean two different things depending on how it's used. You appear to be taking the two most common meanings of this term and applying it as though it means same thing. This makes no sense and only adds to the confusion here, so are you talking about how atheists define "the human spirit" or the way Christians define it?
sonship and lemon lime do not think that non-Christians have "no human spirit". Is their view in line with Christian doctrine?
For the sake of simplicity I believe this could be resolved by simply saying "soul" rather than "the human spirit". This would pretty much put an end to your contention over GBs use of the term "human spirit", even though the use of this term is perfectly acceptable within the context of a spiritual discussion.