Israel fulfilling Biblical Prophecy

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I don't get this...

Israel is a state populated by the people of God himself, the jews, right?
And the jews dismiss Jesus Christ as the Messiah, right?
So if God's own people dismisses Messiah, then Jesus cannot be the Messiah, right?
Who can say against God's people, they, if anyone, must be right, right?

Please, inform me where I go wrong in this reasoning...

Its only a story,so grow up

Originally posted by Suzianne
Yeah, how about it? robbie's been ignoring it for so long it's not funny.

Not sure of the team your batting for?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
[b]The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits. - Jesus Christ

who is this nation that was to be given the Kingdom? for clearly Jesus was referring to the Jewish nation when he said that the Kingdom will be taken from you, otherwise the verse makes absolutely no sense.

the verse in Peter does not ...[text shortened]... have produced nothing more than slander, irrelevancy and absurdity to support their perspective.[/b]

His own Jewish people where not ready to accept Him as their King. So the Kingdom is being expanded to except all people (Jew and GreeK as Paul puts it) who will believe on Him. So the Jews are being blinded to the truth of the Messiah until the fullness of the Gentiles have come into the kingdom. Then the vail will be lifted from the eyes of the Jews so that all Israel will be saved.

The post that was quoted here has been removed

I remember a Joke among the Jews after the Holocaust in which a Jew prayed to God for God to please choose another people for a change.

Originally posted by RJHinds
His own Jewish people where not ready to accept Him as their King. So the Kingdom is being expanded to except all people (Jew and GreeK as Paul puts it) who will believe on Him. So the Jews are being blinded to the truth of the Messiah until the fullness of the Gentiles have come into the kingdom. Then the vail will be lifted from the eyes of the Jews so that all Israel will be saved.

who was the nation that was to receive the Kingdom after it was to be taken from the Jews as Jesus said?

Originally posted by redbarons
Not sure of the team your batting for?

Please, run along now.

The adults are talking here.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
who was the nation that was to receive the Kingdom after it was to be taken from the Jews as Jesus said?

And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: “The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.”’ But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’ So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

“But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

(Matthew 22:1-14 NKJV)

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
who was the nation that was to receive the Kingdom after it was to be taken from the Jews as Jesus said?

Twist, twist, twist.

Why are we entertaining anything you say, again?

You've only proved time and again that you do not have even a rudimentary grasp of Christian scripture. This is because the WTO has been twisting the meaning for years and years, only to try to shoehorn scripture into their man-made doctrines. Your corporation has bastardized nearly every verse of the Bible for their own ends. Having even the most basic conversation with you about the meaning of scripture is like talking to PeeWee Herman.

"Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."



I just don't know how to say it any more clearly than that.

Originally posted by RJHinds
[b]And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: “The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my di ...[text shortened]... nashing of teeth.’

“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

(Matthew 22:1-14 NKJV)[/b]

we shall ask you again, sing that you failed to answer it for the second or third time, to what nation does Christ refer when he said that the Kingdom of the heavens will be taken from the Jews and given to a nation producing its fruitage?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
we shall ask you again, sing that you failed to answer it for the second or third time, to what nation does Christ refer when he said that the Kingdom of the heavens will be taken from the Jews and given to a nation producing its fruitage?

This, of course, refers to Christians. Christians are people from all nations of the world.

Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

(Acts 4:8-12 NKJV)

Originally posted by RJHinds
This, of course, refers to Christians. Christians are people from all nations of the world.

[b]Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israe ...[text shortened]... o other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

(Acts 4:8-12 NKJV)[/b]

finally a confession, soooooo, Jesus stated to the Jews that Gods kingdom would be taken from them and given to another nation producing its fruits that being the newly formed Christian congregation, which as Peter states, is a chosen nation. So now that we have identified the two nations and that the nation chosen to be Gods representatives is now the Christian congregation, why are you saying that the Jews are Gods chosen people, for clearly the Bible here is teaching us otherwise.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
finally a confession, soooooo, Jesus stated to the Jews that Gods kingdom would be taken from them and given to another nation producing its fruits that being the newly formed Christian congregation, which as Peter states, is a chosen nation. So now that we have identified the two nations and that the nation chosen to be Gods representatives is now ...[text shortened]... aying that the Jews are Gods chosen people, for clearly the Bible here is teaching us otherwise.

I have already quoted scripture to you in which the apostle Paul explains this. The Jews have been blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles have come to salvation as Christians. Paul says that the natural branches (the Jews) can be grafted back in to the tree.

For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural [branches] be grafted into their own olive tree?

(Romans 11:24 NASB)

READ ALL OF ROMANS 11.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I have already quoted scripture to you in which the apostle Paul explains this. The Jews have been blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles have come to salvation as Christians. Paul says that the natural branches (the Jews) can be grafted back in to the tree.

[b]For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contra ...[text shortened]... hes] be grafted into their own olive tree?

(Romans 11:24 NASB)

READ ALL OF ROMANS 11.[/b]

yes but i don't understand drool, English is my first language. The Bible states that Christians are now Gods chosen people yet you insist on saying that it is still the Jews, sorry but i don't believe you and I am going to stick with the Biblical version.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes but i don't understand drool, English is my first language. The Bible states that Christians are now Gods chosen people yet you insist on saying that it is still the Jews, sorry but i don't believe you and I am going to stick with the Biblical version.

I guess you haven't heard. The Letter to the Romans is a part of the Bible now.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I guess you haven't heard. The Letter to the Romans is a part of the Bible now.

yes but your drooling is not