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04 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarJesus said He didn't want some people to understand, maybe because the time wasn't right yet, not necessarily because He wanted them damned. That is quite a leap for you to make.
The fact that he said that doesn't mean Jesus wanted to do it.
Is what Jesus did wrong or right?
04 Sep 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerHe gave the reason why. He said because then he would heal them. Those people had to hear and not understand.
Jesus said He didn't want some people to understand, maybe because the time wasn't right yet, not necessarily because He wanted them damned. That is quite a leap for you to make.
Originally posted by @fabianfnasLook when what I have found fulfills every need and truth I have looked for, what else is
"No, and as I said, I stop looking for what I have found."
Okay, any key will do for you. Okay, if it works for you.
I, on the other hand, don't stop until I found a key that fits into my car. If the first one doesn't then I continue to search.
A good sign that a person [b]has not found the Universal Truth - is that he thinks he has found it. An ...[text shortened]... !
Satan is whispering in your ears - "You've found the Universal Truth! Stop search further!"[/b]
there? As I said, when I found what I'm looking for I can stop looking. You telling me what
I have is your view not mine. Since you don't know what I have, how would you know if it
isn't the truth? You are still in a perpetual search, and when you say no one has found
this universal truth that is judging everyone by just your search alone.
When others tell you they have found it, you can accept or reject their claims, but unless
you share that experience you are always going to be looking from the outside.
I'm telling you we do not get to make up a good way to God, we don't get to tell God how
God should receive us and why. We don't get to demand, instruct, or deal with God either
when it comes to being received by God. It is going to be on God's terms not ours!
That said, the method God choose was Jesus Christ who tells us no one comes to God,
but through Him. He cleans us of our sins, He is the Way, Truth, and Life for all mankind.
Satan will not stop whispering that, as a matter of fact the ONLY time He will whisper that
is when you have found the truth, since Satan is a liar and father of lies, He does not tell
the truth. I guess for everyone else he says, "They don't have the Universal Truth, do not
go there, do not believe them. Keep looking its some where if you just look."
04 Sep 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThe only way they can be saved is to be healed. By saying they can't be healed, they are damned.
So how did you make the leap to He wants them damned? 🙄
Originally posted by @kellyjayYou don't realize the paradox you're creating.
Look when what I have found fulfills every need and truth I have looked for, what else is
there? As I said, when I found what I'm looking for I can stop looking. You telling me what
I have is your view not mine. Since you don't know what I have, how would you know if it
isn't the truth? You are still in a perpetual search, and when you say no one has fo ...[text shortened]... sal Truth, do not
go there, do not believe them. Keep looking its some where if you just look."
When two people are claiming they have found the Ultimate Truth and these two Ultimate Truths are different from eachother. Then at least one is wrong. And noone can tell who it is.
So if you're claiming you have the Ultimate Truth in your hand - then we can be sure that you in fact have not.
If you don't realize this, if you think that you are in par with god himself, then you are ready for the funny farm, flat out lying, IQ equal to a mollusk, or have Satan whispering in your ears.
In any case this discussion is futile and I'm not amused to discuss it further.
04 Sep 17
Originally posted by @fabianfnasYou think that is something I created, by telling you that Jesus Christ, the Word of God, is
You don't realize the paradox you're creating.
When two people are claiming they have found the Ultimate Truth and these two Ultimate Truths are different from eachother. Then at least one is wrong. And noone can tell who it is.
So if you're claiming you have the Ultimate Truth in your hand - then we can be sure that you in fact have not.
If you ...[text shortened]... in your ears.
In any case this discussion is futile and I'm not amused to discuss it further.
the very ultimate truth of the universe? As soon as you get two people claiming something
different that is going to be the case, I didn't create this. It is in my opinion by design if you
believe in God and Satan, one is the ultimate truth and the other is a lie, one is a singular
truth God, and Satan will give you a million different ways to be wrong, since everything
he offers is not going to line up with God's truth.
You can be sure I don't have the ultimate truth, because you cannot tell who has the
ultimate truth? Not sure how you worked that out, but okay, you don't know so no one
can know I guess.
05 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarSure you do.
It is possible, but that does not change the truth that I have stated.
I simply do not turn a blind eye to what Jesus said due to societal values.
You think it's somehow cool to be a racist bastard and so you try to make Jesus into a racist bastard too.
Originally posted by @eladarI just do not know how I can make myself any more clear.
I don't know, peopke seem ro have a problem with Jesus stating that he taught in parables so certain people would not understand, turn and be healed.
You for one do not like the idea and deny Jesus' own words.
We do not have a problem with anything Jesus said. His was a message of love.
What we take issue with is YOUR INTERPRETATION of what Jesus said.
05 Sep 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYes he did.
Did He say he never wanted them to be healed? No that is your giant leap.
You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
Tell me when does never understanding turn into understanding?
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05 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarHe was merely stating a fact, that is that some people choose never to listen or understand. You are putting words in His mouth by saying He wants them not to listen and not to understand and therefore wants them damned.
Yes he did.
You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
Tell me when does never understanding turn into understanding?
05 Sep 17
Originally posted by @fabianfnas"If you don't realize this, if you think that you are in par with god himself, "
You don't realize the paradox you're creating.
When two people are claiming they have found the Ultimate Truth and these two Ultimate Truths are different from eachother. Then at least one is wrong. And noone can tell who it is.
So if you're claiming you have the Ultimate Truth in your hand - then we can be sure that you in fact have not.
If you ...[text shortened]... in your ears.
In any case this discussion is futile and I'm not amused to discuss it further.
No one is on par with God, you really have no clue if that is what you think.
05 Sep 17
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerAccording to Jesus some would jave turned to him of he spoke plainly instead of with parables.
He was merely stating a fact, that is that some people choose never to listen or understand. You are putting words in His mouth by saying He wants them not to listen and not to understand and therefore wants them damned.