Jesus Lied . For The Bible Tells Me So .

@divegeester said
Is that it from you then?

For tonight sir.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
For tonight sir.

Tomorrow we can pick up what you avoided tonight…

Anymore thoughts on Suzianne’s claims about being visited by angels who spoke with her and stopped committing suicide, her smashing sexual molesters through bar tables using mixed martial arts, her saving countless lives on the streets using CPR, her being abducted and held captive for two years whilst being forced-fed heroin, meanwhile her being raised by a high ranking military officer and travelling all around the US and wherever, her buying a sports super bike without having ever taken a lesson or passing a test or me bribing Russ to have people banned from this website?

Edit .. oh and of course her leaving RHP, lurking, accidentally posting at FMF and claiming it was her “house guest”, not her 😂

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I have said it is incorrect. That is my opinion on the matter. I don't use 'deluded' in an 'everyday sense.' You are the one who does that.

Dodge noted.

The question is hypothetical and isn't about whether you think its premise is correct.

The question is actually about your peculiar use of the term throwing someone "under the bus" and about your equally peculiar idea of how honesty and candour could terminate a friendship.

@fmf said
Actually, if you look at the etymology, the words deluded and delusion predate their use as mental health terms by centuries.

You have dodged the above too. You claimed the word "has seeped into everyday conversation" and that it is used "incorrectly". But this simply isn't true.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Of course I have won this argument. Not only did I get FMF to classify you as deluded, I got you to classify yourself as deluded.

These were your terms of victory? Really?

Me saying that I think belief in the supernatural is a delusion?

That is a you've "won the argument" moment for you?

I think you have simply demonstrated that, as a commentator, you are compromised by your desire to "have someone's back" and you have therefore been twisting and turning and resorting to all manner of essentially evasive conversational gimmicks that make you come across as partisan and inconsistent rather than someone conversing in good faith. Just look at all your drivel about halibuts, leprechauns, people supposedly being "thick", and your squawking about people being thrown "under the bus".

As has been the case in previous disagreements and discussions, I think your objective has been to say "Of course, I have won this argument" or Oh! Oh! FMF "has capitulated" at some point even as numerous dodged observations and responses have been left dangling and ignored stretching back 70+ forum pages.

Frankly, I wonder if you still plan to quote one of Aesop's fables, obtusely, and then pull the rip chord once and for all.

@fmf said
These were your terms of victory? Really?

I think any discussion that not only ends in you calling Dive deluded but with him describing his own religious beliefs as deluded is quantifiable as a victory, yes.

I obviously don't think that spells the end of your friendship/alliance, but I do think you threw him under the bus to avoid back tracking further on your views around what constitutes delusion.

It is also worth noting that despite trying yourself to differentiate between delusion in a clinical sense and every day sense, it was Dive who provided a mental health link in his endeavour to label Suzianne as deluded.

@divegeester said
Tomorrow we can pick up what you avoided tonight…

Anymore thoughts on Suzianne’s claims about being visited by angels who spoke with her and stopped committing suicide, her smashing sexual molesters through bar tables using mixed martial arts, her saving countless lives on the streets using CPR, her being abducted and held captive for two years whilst being forced-fed ...[text shortened]... r leaving RHP, lurking, accidentally posting at FMF and claiming it was her “house guest”, not her 😂

I avoided nothing. Many of the 'stories' you reference stem from a time before I was here, and which Suzianne has disputed. In what sense therefore am I to take them as 'her claims? ' - No doubt they are based on an original account but it doesn't take a rocket science to identify probable embellishments to make them sound more outlandish.
Take, for example the buying of a motor cycle. I remember that discussion in the Ghost Chamber and am not really sure what you are going on about. So what if she said she was looking to buy a bike, even if she didn't have any experience. How does that render her delusional?


Edit: Have just read through the thread concerned (Motorcycles). You gave advice about what bike to buy (in quite a patronising way). Suzianne was open about her lack of experience and many gave her good advice, which she took. Nothing in what she posted was in any way delusional. (Club members can read the exchanges for themselves. Page 4, post 4 is my favourite).

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I think any discussion that not only ends in you calling Dive deluded but with him describing his own religious beliefs as deluded is quantifiable as a victory, yes.

It's "a victory"? Why?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I obviously don't think that spells the end of your friendship/alliance, but I do think you threw him under the bus to avoid back tracking further on your views around what constitutes delusion.

What does "threw him under the bus" mean? What exactly is "the bus"?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
It is also worth noting that despite trying yourself to differentiate between delusion in a clinical sense and every day sense, it was Dive who provided a mental health link in his endeavour to label Suzianne as deluded.

I have been using the word "delusion" in its everyday sense. I have not been pretending to be a psychiatrist. Your refusal to accept that "delusion" is an everyday English word has been one of your gimmicks.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I have said it is incorrect. That is my opinion on the matter. I don't use 'deluded' in an 'everyday sense.' You are the one who does that.

This is a dodge. It is a hypothetical question that seeks to probe your thrown "under the bus" banter. I am not asking you to question the premise; I am simply asking you about this notion of throwing a friend under the bus that you have repeated many times:

SUPPOSING you said, in public, that you agreed that Suzianne's accusation that divegeester is bribing Russ to have posters banned was a delusion, in the everyday sense of the word, WOULD that be "throwing her under the bus"? And WOULD it affect your friendship?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I avoided nothing. Many of the 'stories' you reference stem from a time before I was here, and which Suzianne has disputed. In what sense therefore am I to take them as 'her claims?

What do you make of the accusations that divegeester is bribing Russ to delete accounts because those account users disagreed with him and that I have deleted hundreds of subscribers' accounts because I am a secret mod and those subscribers disagreed with me? You have seen these accusations because they were made during your time here.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I obviously don't think that spells the end of your friendship/alliance, but I do think you threw him under the bus to avoid back tracking further on your views around what constitutes delusion.

So I did not backtrack and I have been consistent in my use of the everyday English word delusion. What's the problem with that?

@fmf said
It's "a victory"? Why?

Because the conversation started with Suzianne being labelled by you both as delusional and ended with you both calling Dive delusional.

I think that is a defeat in anyone's book.

@fmf said
What does "threw him under the bus" mean? What exactly is "the bus"?

You are not familiar with that expression?