Jesus Lied . For The Bible Tells Me So .

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Again, I am following the text. Please provide your understanding of why Jesus told his followers he wasn't going and then went later in secret? How do you understand this passage as not being a lie?

Yes yes Ghost of a Duke I know you are “following the text”.

So the Bible text in this instance is more reliable than your alleged instincts to trust a person because it brings you happiness?

@divegeester said
Yes yes Ghost of a Duke I know you are “following the text”.

So the Bible text in this instance is more reliable than your alleged instincts to trust a person because it brings you happiness?

As a Christian, why are you not able to discuss biblical text calmly and rationally. Again, how do you understand the passage being discussed?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
As a Christian, why are you not able to discuss biblical text calmly and rationally. Again, how do you understand the passage being discussed?

What’s all this nonsense about me not being calm. Just another dodge. Here’s the question I’m asking you

So the Bible text in this instance is more reliable than your alleged instincts to trust a person because it brings you happiness?

@divegeester said
What’s all this nonsense about me not being calm. Just another dodge. Here’s the question I’m asking you

So the Bible text in this instance is more reliable than your alleged instincts to trust a person because it brings you happiness?

Your question makes no sense. Please stick to the topic of the thread. What is your understanding of the passage being discussed? You say I am wrong in identifying a lie. How do you explain the exchange? How was Jesus not lying when he told his followers he wasn't going, and then went anyway in secret?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Your question makes no sense. Please stick to the topic of the thread.

Oh dear 😅
I’m sorry that your lack of comprehension excuse has had to be triggered.

Why do you find the Bible (which you regularly attack for being unreliable) to be more reliable in this instance than your claimed instinct to trust a person… in this instance the assertion by Jesus?

Surely a person of your immense intellect can make sense of a simple question Ghost of a Duke.

@divegeester said
Oh dear 😅
I’m sorry that your lack of comprehension excuse has had to be triggered.

Why do you find the Bible (which you regularly attack for being unreliable) to be more reliable in this instance than your claimed instinct to trust a person… in this instance the assertion by Jesus?

Surely a person of your immense intellect can make sense of a simple question Ghost of a Duke.

Why are you not able to have a normal conversation about a biblical text? I have asked you 3 times to provide your understanding of the passage.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Why are you not able to have a normal conversation about a biblical text? I have asked you 3 times to provide your understanding of the passage.

How is this exchange not a “normal conversation”.

I’ll answer your question when you’ve explained why in this instance you choose to trust Biblical text instead of applying your claimed principle of choosing to trust a person?

I can see why you would prefer to discuss what is and what isn’t “normal conversation” rather than be honest about your flakey principles.

@divegeester said
How is this exchange not a “normal conversation”.

I’ll answer your question when you’ve explained why in this instance you choose to trust Biblical text instead of applying your claimed principle of choosing to trust a person?

I can see why you would prefer to discuss what is and what isn’t “normal conversation” rather than be honest about your flakey principles.

It's an odd comparison. If I interact with people (still alive) I tend to take what they share on trust, rather than assuming they are probably lying.

If I read an old text (thousands of years old) I will share my opinion on what the text is telling me. In this instance, the text says that Jesus told his followers he wouldn't go to the festival but then went later in secret. This reads as a lie, irrespective of if it was Jesus or any other biblical character.

If you disagree with this reading of the text, just say why.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
It's an odd comparison. If I interact with people (still alive) I tend to take what they share on trust, rather than assuming they are probably lying.

If I read an old text (thousands of years old) I will share my opinion on what the text is telling me. In this instance, the text says that Jesus told his followers he wouldn't go to the festival but then went later in secret. This reads as a lie, irrespective of if it was Jesus or any other biblical character.

So someone has to be alive for you to trust what they have said, and you lack the perception, despite your Religious Studies A Level, to assess someone’s trustworthiness because what they said was a long long long long long time ago.

I see.

@ghost-of-a-duke said

If you disagree with this reading of the text, just say why.

When assessing the writings and sayings of dead people, I prefer to take them at their word. I find this brings me more happiness in life.

@divegeester said
So someone has to be alive for you to trust what they have said, and you lack the perception, despite your Religious Studies A Level, to assess someone’s trustworthiness because what they said was a long long long long long time ago.

I see.

A person still alive can be affected by whether or not I accuse them of lying. (Would serve you well to realise that).

Are you ever going to give your view on the passage, or do you simply not have one? (5th time of asking).

@ghost-of-a-duke said
A person still alive can be affected by whether or not I accuse them of lying. (Would serve you well to realise that).

Oh I see more and more clearly where your principles really sit then… you only tell a person the truth about your trust in them and your belief/unbelief in what they say, if it doesn’t cause offence. Or more to the point doesn’t create a sense of conflict. Given your propensity for emotional brittleness and histrionics, I suppose it’s understandable that you are the way you are.

Do you tell Suzianne you believe all her ludicrous stories because if you don’t then there might be some conflict which you struggle to deal with?

@divegeester said
Oh I see more and more clearly where your principles really sit then… you only tell a person the truth about your trust in them and your belief/unbelief in what they say, if it doesn’t cause offence. Or more to the point doesn’t create a sense of conflict. Given your propensity for emotional brittleness and histrionics, I suppose it’s understandable that you are the way y ...[text shortened]... rous stories because if you don’t then there might be some conflict which you struggle to deal with?

I have told you on numerous occasions that I give people the benefit of the doubt when they share personal accounts, not wishing to be the kind of person who accuses someone of lying about something that was actually true.

You may have an uncanny ability to know with certainty when an account shared is true or not, but for us mere mortals it is more human to be more trusting.


And you said you would give your view on the passage concerned once I had answered your question. (Which I have). Was that a lie, or are you now going to do so?

@divegeester said

I’ll answer your question when you’ve explained why in this instance you choose to trust Biblical text instead of applying your claimed principle of choosing to trust a person?

Bump.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I have told you on numerous occasions that I give people the benefit of the doubt when they share personal accounts, not wishing to be the kind of person who accuses someone of lying about something that was actually true.

You may have an uncanny ability to know with certainty when an account shared is true or not, but for us mere mortals it is more human to be mor ...[text shortened]... d once I had answered your question. (Which I have). Was that a lie, or are you now going to do so?

Ahh but that’s not what you said in your previous post is it Ghosty.

What you said was that you only prescribe your hollow pretence of trust to those people whom are living and whose retort might create some level disturbance in shallow sea that is your emotional condition.

In other words, you’re a spineless faux friend who’s loyalty extends no further than preventing interpersonal conflict which might cause you some sleeplessness… or to feel “broken” or “destroyed”.

As you are in the habit of feeling.
So I read.