Jesus wants some people damned

Originally posted by @suzianne
No, and once again, your bizarrely twisted version of what the Bible says is NOT the Word of God, just the words of Eladar.

Nothing here says that man has no free will.

Please help me understand Romans 9:16 here I give all the translations. Thanks.

http://biblehub.com/romans/9-16.htm

Originally posted by @eladar
If you believe the Bible is the word of God, you certainly have a weird way of showing it.

How so?

Just because it's not your cookie-cutter FoxNews-okayed religion?

And I'm not a Calvinist, either, so no wonder you don't "get" my faith.

Originally posted by @rbhill
Please help me understand Romans 9:16 here I give all the translations. Thanks.

http://biblehub.com/romans/9-16.htm

This will have to wait at least until I get home to my computer.

Originally posted by @suzianne
How so?

Just because it's not your cookie-cutter FoxNews-okayed religion?

And I'm not a Calvinist, either, so no wonder you don't "get" my faith.

So not being a Calvinist means loving abortions and sexual immorality.

Originally posted by @rbhill
Please help me understand Romans 9:16 here I give all the translations. Thanks.

http://biblehub.com/romans/9-16.htm

What do you not get?

-Removed-

It's only because only the Republican Party in America conflates the two, and insists on presenting themselves as Christian when there is almost nothing further from the truth.

Either that, or they are just stupid and support a political party that they just don't understand what it actually stands for.

On the contrary, I do not conflate the two at all. I do not see how solid, honest Christians can be Republican, unless they just don't understand that the party stands for greed and racism and sexism. And furthermore, I can't say I give a fig what someone from another country thinks of American politics. It's like me commenting on English Football.

Originally posted by @eladar
So not being a Calvinist means loving abortions and sexual immorality.

Well, according to you, being a Calvinist means that you must be one of the elect and everyone else can just go to hell and like it.

Originally posted by @rbhill
Please help me understand Romans 9:16 here I give all the translations. Thanks.

http://biblehub.com/romans/9-16.htm

As Bernard of Clairvaux wrote, "Grace is necessary to salvation, free will equally so - but grace in order to give salvation, free will in order to receive it."

Originally posted by @suzianne
As Bernard of Clairvaux wrote, "Grace is necessary to salvation, free will equally so - but grace in order to give salvation, free will in order to receive it."

Nice quote

Originally posted by @suzianne
It's only because only the Republican Party in America conflates the two, and insists on presenting themselves as Christian when there is almost nothing further from the truth.

Either that, or they are just stupid and support a political party that they just don't understand what it actually stands for.

On the contrary, I do not conflate the two at a ...[text shortened]... from another country thinks of American politics. It's like me commenting on English Football.

You treat Republicans as if they are sinners for simply being alive and thinking monotheistic thoughts. No grace there?

Originally posted by @eladar
So not being a Calvinist means loving abortions and sexual immorality.

Sexual immorality. You think what, god is jealous we can HAVE sex?

Originally posted by @suzianne
Well, according to you, being a Calvinist means that you must be one of the elect and everyone else can just go to hell and like it.

If that is how things are would you judge God?

Originally posted by @sonhouse
Sexual immorality. You think what, god is jealous we can HAVE sex?

There is God's way and man's.

Originally posted by @eladar
If you believe the Bible is the word of God, you certainly have a weird way of showing it.

Do you believe the Bible is the word of God? If so why do you say Jesus wants some people damned when the Bible clearly says that He is not willing that any should perish?