26 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarI see so having the voice of an archangel means that you are something else and yet the scripture is quite specific!
With the voice of an archangel does not mean archangel.
If someone says that a singer has the voice of an angel, does that mean the person is an angel?
Very technically speaking Jesus can indeed be called the voice of the Archangel so now what does this mean ? I'm convinced that the archangel is indeed Jesus so we have quandary so to speak or there is a misunderstanding of scripture. We know the word for angel in the koinia greek can mean messenger and angels were used as messengers
also Michael Means captain or Prince of God so Michael the Archangel means the Chief messenger or Captain of God does Jesus not fit this bill ?
Manny
Originally posted by menace71Yes he does and I think like you say we have been conditioned into having a preconceived idea of not only what constitutes angel but we are somehow prejudiced against the idea that Christ could be a type of angel. There is only a single reference to an archangel in scripture and its made with reference to Christ. If we hold that an angel is simply a supernatural being, a spirit son of God, then surely Christ qualifies.
Very technically speaking Jesus can indeed be called the voice of the Archangel so now what does this mean ? I'm convinced that the archangel is indeed Jesus so we have quandary so to speak or there is a misunderstanding of scripture. We know the word for angel in the koinia greek can mean messenger and angels were used as messengers
also Michael Means ca ...[text shortened]... rchangel means the Chief messenger or Captain of God does Jesus not fit this bill ?
Manny
26 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarActually, if you consider all your ref. you can see that the Son of God is
Hebrews 1
[i] In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by h ...[text shortened]... In multiple places in this text Jesus is described to be inherently different from the angels.
the Archangel. There is only one mentioned in the Bible, but he fits every scripture
you cited.
26 Dec 16
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI can't argue at all......
Yes he does and I think like you say we have been conditioned into having a preconceived idea of not only what constitutes angel but we are somehow prejudiced against the idea that Christ could be a type of angel. There is only a single reference to an archangel in scripture and its made with reference to Christ. If we hold that an angel is simply a supernatural being, a spirit son of God, then surely Christ qualifies.
Manny
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHey.
Jesus was and is a mighty spiritual being before and after he was a human, nothing you have said negates this reality. How are you going to explain this verse?
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, [b]with the voice of the archangel. 1 Thess 4:16[/b]
Why in the world would it have to be inserted in the text?
I mean if he IS an archangel, why would the text need to specify he will have the voice of an archangel?? I understand you've never written anything of your own thoughts in your entire life, but even you can see this phrase would be completely unnecessary if he is indeed an archangel.
Like I've said before, I know you have to justify your weird beliefs, but come on.
Originally posted by roigamThere is more than one archangel in the Bible.
Actually, if you consider all your ref. you can see that the Son of God is
the Archangel. There is only one mentioned in the Bible, but he fits every scripture
you cited.
And Jesus is not one of them.
As a matter of fact, the very verse you trot out to say he is "created", says that he is "first", "above", "over" ALL creation, even archangels.
26 Dec 16
Originally posted by Suzianneyour question is simply circular reasoning, illogical and ill conceived.
Hey.
Why in the world would it have to be inserted in the text?
I mean if he IS an archangel, why would the text need to specify he will have the voice of an archangel?? I understand you've never written anything of your own thoughts in your entire life, but even you can see this phrase would be completely unnecessary if he is indeed an archangel.
Like I've said before, I know you have to justify your weird beliefs, but come on.
26 Dec 16
Originally posted by Suziannereally show us where there is another archangel mentioned.
There is more than one archangel in the Bible.
And Jesus is not one of them.
As a matter of fact, the very verse you trot out to say he is "created", says that he is "first", "above", "over" ALL creation, even archangels.
-Removed-well it comes to down to looking at the text and words of the original language truthfully so
I do not really have a problem with understand Jesus being one and the same as the " Archangel of God " That being said that does not mean Jesus is literally an Angel as in the beings that God created called the angels
Manny