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@kellyjay saidIf you claim to "see" Jesus is risen from the dead or claim to be satisfied and edifiied with how you "see" the Trinity is "The Truth" etc., that is fine and if it gives you solace then it is more than fine. But your claim that people like me "struggle" with [or because of] all this is mistaken.
Athists struggle with what they see, in the end, they call such things illusions.
@philokalia saidcrashing a party
Going up to Christians and others interested in rthe religion discussing the doctrine of the Trinity and providing some snotty comment about how the Bible itself might be fake is just crashing a party to put yuor foot in your mouth.
Perhaps you need to be posting on a Christianity forum and then the only "snotty" people you'd need to deal with would be "snotty" Christians.
@divegeester saidErgo, a trinity.
The trinity is a set of three distinct people/persons. Look it up.
Three distinct personalities. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One God.
I wish you would make up your mind.
@divegeester saidThe Shema, (Hebrew: “Hear” ), the Jewish confession of faith made up of three scriptural texts (Deuteronomy 6:4–9, 11:13–21; Numbers 15:37–41), which, together with appropriate prayers, forms an integral part of the evening and morning services.
Hear oh Israel, the Lord your God is ONE.
Recited by the Jews since Moses penned it 3500 years ago, and quoted by Jesus in Mark 12:29.
Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
"God" in this verse is the Hebrew word ĕlōhîm, which is plural > Gods.
The word God is translated from the Hebrew word ĕlōhîm over 200 times in Genesis alone, as far as I can see.
Where the English word LORD occurs, it is God's name, Jehovah.
The text in Hebrew reads; "šāmaʿ yiśrā'ēl Yᵊhōvâ ĕlōhîm Yᵊhōvâ eḥāḏ".
Please try to refrain yourself from defining and interpreting who and what God is and allow the text to have its own way.
In other words, shut up and shema the word of God.
And don't worry, you're not the only self-styled professing christian that butchers the Bible.
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@josephw saidI’ve given sound that reasoning, example and scripture to back up what I have deduced about the Godhead.
Please try to refrain yourself from defining and interpreting who and what God is and allow the text to have its own way.
You’re a regurgitator; believing what you do because you’ve had it taught to you.
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@divegeester saidIn your OP you said, "No “trinity”, no “god the son”, no “eternal son” are mentioned anywhere at all in the bible."
Make my mind up about what?
Yet now you're agreeing there is a "trinity."
But you have bigger problems than that.
You said also in your OP; "Of course as there is no “eternal son”.
I'll only refute this one statement by you because I'll not waste more time on the rest of you erroneous comments with regards to who and what the Bible says about God, since you're far to gone to the left to understand more.
1 Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Jesus, the Son of God, the King eternal. Jesus is eternal life. Jesus is eternal. Are you so stupid?
Your teachers lie.
@divegeester saidWhat you've "deduced"?
I’ve given sound that reasoning, example and scripture to back up what I have deduced about the Godhead.
You’re a regurgitator; believing what you do because you’ve had it taught to you.
Oh, please.
@josephw saidAnd this is why I beseeched him to give us his version.
In your OP you said, "No “trinity”, no “god the son”, no “eternal son” are mentioned anywhere at all in the bible."
Yet now you're agreeing there is a "trinity."
But you have bigger problems than that.
You said also in your OP; "Of course as there is no “eternal son”.
I'll only refute this one statement by you because I'll not waste more time on the rest of you e ...[text shortened]... the King eternal. Jesus is eternal life. Jesus is eternal. Are you so stupid?
Your teachers lie.
Yes, his version. According to him, deduced entirely by himself.
Eh, not so much, obviously.
And, he's a Universalist. It figures. It means he doesn't feel that he has to atone for anything. The religion of narcissists.