08 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieMake up your mind. You're just having told me over and over again that you see voluntary worlk as a personal "sacrifice" and as "the equivalent of blood sacrifice" because the Bible tells you so and because you are a Christian. And now you're suddenly saying "the thought has ever crossed [your] mind". You have been absolutely candid about it robbie. There is no 'insinuation' by me in play here.
If they tell themselves it is "self-sacrifice" and they are,
i think that is probably the last thing they are telling themselves! speaking frankly Mr Shankly! In fact in fifteen or more years as a voluntary worker I cannot say that the thought has ever crossed my mind, indeed, concern for others is paramount and practically prevents it, regardless of what you are trying to insinuate to the contrary.
08 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOh?
In fact in fifteen or more years as a voluntary worker I cannot say that the
thought [that it is a "sacrifice"] has ever crossed my mind [...]
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
[3 pages ago...] any unpaid voluntary work is a sacrifice of time and effort and yes it is the spiritual equivalent of a blood sacrifice, if you knew anything about the Bible you would know that, but i forget that at times I am dealing with ignorance [...] [2 pages ago...] all i have in fact stated that a Christian views his as a sacrifice, indeed, if you knew anything about the Bible this would be evident, but you dont, therefore, that is why, you need, in order to find some pretence of argument, make these ludicrous assertions.
08 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMFRob, i'll get back to your post regarding laws and principles tomorrow.
Oh?
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
[b] [3 pages ago...] any unpaid voluntary work is a sacrifice of time and effort and yes it is the spiritual equivalent of a blood sacrifice, if you knew anything about the Bible you would know that, but i forget that at times I am dealing with ignorance [...] [2 pages ago...] all i have in fact stated that a C ...[text shortened]... why, you need, in order to find some pretence of argument, make these ludicrous assertions.[/b]
I can hardly see how going 'door to door' evangelising is a sacrifice?! That's a basic requirement that every JW has to do is it not? Your organisation believes that only it's members will survive the Great Tribulation, so i can hardly see how fulfilling a requirement to belong to an organisation which will make you live in an earthly paradise a 'sacrifice'?
08 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMFare you actually trying to assert that we engage in a public ministry because we think
Make up your mind. You're just having told me over and over again that you see voluntary worlk as a personal "sacrifice" and as "the equivalent of blood sacrifice" because the Bible tells you so and because you are a Christian. And now you're suddenly saying "the thought has ever crossed [your] mind". You have been absolutely candid about it robbie. There is no 'insinuation' by me in play here.
its the equivalent of a blood sacrifice, do you know how deviod of reality that sounds?
we engage in a public ministry to help people apply Biblical principles, that fact that it is
also in a spiritual sense the equivalent of a sacrifice is neither here nor there, but as
you have never engaged in it, and have no experience of it, you can hardly be blamed
for thinking in the distorted way that you do, can you, its simply a kind of expression of
ignorance, no offence intended.
08 Dec 11
Originally posted by Proper KnobI can hardly see how going 'door to door' evangelising is a sacrifice?!
Rob, i'll get back to your post regarding laws and principles tomorrow.
I can hardly see how going 'door to door' evangelising is a sacrifice?! That's a basic requirement that every JW has to do is it not? Your organisation believes that only it's members will survive the Great Tribulation, so i can hardly see how fulfilling a requirement to belong to an organisation which will make you live in an earthly paradise a 'sacrifice'?
once again, i did not write the Bible, Paul clearly equates, in a spiritual sense, the
deceleration of faith, that is, a public ministry with sacrifice. Again, i did not write the
Bible, never the less, it is clear that it is a sacrifice of time and expenditure.
08 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMFyes, oh!
Oh?
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
[b] [3 pages ago...] any unpaid voluntary work is a sacrifice of time and effort and yes it is the spiritual equivalent of a blood sacrifice, if you knew anything about the Bible you would know that, but i forget that at times I am dealing with ignorance [...] [2 pages ago...] all i have in fact stated that a C ...[text shortened]... why, you need, in order to find some pretence of argument, make these ludicrous assertions.[/b]
08 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo - you cannot comment on an individual case nor a generalisation; not much clarity considering it's a life of death scenario and one which could determine my membership of the JW organisation or indeed the after-life potentially!
its already been answered in detail with discussion with FMF, i cannot comment upon
individual cases with vague generalities and in terms of whether a person will remain a
witness or not for accepting a blood transfusion, we do not accept blood transfusions,
why this is so hard for you to grasp,. i cannot say. If you have any further queries as
to the beliefs of Jehovahs witnesses you may go to
watchtower.org
I admire your commitment robbie; but I really despise the organisational dogma that drives this scripturally extreme and life threatening control of the laity.
Originally posted by divegeesteryou are free to despise as you wish, many persons have been willing to die for
So - you cannot comment on an individual case nor a generalisation; not much clarity considering it's a life of death scenario and one which could determine my membership of the JW organisation or indeed the after-life potentially!
I admire your commitment robbie; but I really despise the organisational dogma that drives this scripturally extreme and life threatening control of the laity.
principles that they held dearer than life itself, there was this one guy i heard of, Jesus
was his name, he did it. We have no clergy, there is no clergy laity distinction, all are
brothers and sisters.
08 Dec 11
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWould it, per chance, be a money earner?
I can hardly see how going 'door to door' evangelising is a sacrifice?!
I teach 2 Japanese children, who's parents are JW's from Japan, alledgedly promoting JW in Thailand. They happen to be sending their kids to a very very expensive school in Thailand. We know the areas they hit, knock on doors, and get donations, as they act of God lovers and needy.
If this is a case proven, and we are acting upon it, it certainly wouldn't have been a sacrifice. 😉
-m.
Originally posted by mikelomsigh, it could also be that their parents have good jobs did the thought ever cross your
Would it, per chance, be a money earner?
I teach 2 Japanese children, who's parents are JW's from Japan, alledgedly promoting JW in Thailand. They happen to be sending their kids to a very very expensive school in Thailand. We know the areas they hit, knock on doors, and get donations, as they act of God lovers and needy.
If this is a case proven, and we are acting upon it, it certainly wouldn't have been a sacrifice. 😉
-m.
mind, and btw its illegal to solicit for funds at doors at least in the UK i believe, our
literature is offered free of charge, making your assertion rather untenable to say the
least, if someone wishes to offer a donation, one can hardly stop them. Goodness
sake its goes from bad to worse, no wonder the Gman done a runner, its enough to
make you want to tear the bum oot yer troosers!
08 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThey are under investigation, and they have no jobs apart from soliciting money for the word of a God.
sigh, it could also be that their parents have good jobs did the thought ever cross your
mind, and btw its illegal to solicit for funds at doors at least in the UK i believe, our
literature is offered free of charge, making your assertion rather untenable to say the
least, if someone wishes to offer a donation, one can hardly stop them. Goodne ...[text shortened]... o wonder the Gman done a runner, its enough to
make you want to tear the bum oot yer troosers!
In the UK my experience alone has been one of this watchtower will cost you 50p, or the equivalent 20 years ago.
Don't tell me you've neve taken a 'donation' for a WT book on a Sunday morning!
Don't lie.
-m.
Originally posted by mikelomfor goodness sake, your ignorance is acutely obvious, there is no charge for
They are under investigation, and they have no jobs apart from soliciting money for the word of a God.
In the UK my experience alone has been one of this watchtower will cost you 50p, or the equivalent 20 years ago.
Don't tell me you've neve taken a 'donation' for a WT book on a Sunday morning!
Don't lie.
-m.
literature nor can i remember the last time i was offered a donation for it, but of
course, your vastly superior knowledge and experience in the matter supersedes
mine, do you usually proffer an opinion of what you know practically nothing about?
The sale of Jehovah's Witnesses' literature was gradually phased out in other
countries, and The Watchtower has been distributed free of charge worldwide since
January 2000, its printing being funded by voluntary donations from Jehovah's
Witnesses and members of the public.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Watchtower
suck it up and next time, try exercising some restraint with the keyboard before you
post, you'll save me the bother of having to deal with your ignorance, As for your
assertion of lying, i think we both know you haven't got any idea of what you are
talking about, so just for both our sakes, just zip the lip, honestly, do yourself a
favour
08 Dec 11
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell steak still has blood in it you silly person - and letting someone die through lack of a blood transfusion is murder.
you are free to despise as you wish, many persons have been willing to die for
principles that they held dearer than life itself, there was this one guy i heard of, Jesus
was his name, he did it. We have no clergy, there is no clergy laity distinction, all are
brothers and sisters.
I'll have mine very bloody please..
08 Dec 11
Originally posted by divegeesterwhat is the purpose of this text, does it increase my understanding of anything, no, its
Well steak still has blood in it you silly person - and letting someone die through lack of a blood transfusion is murder.
I'll have mine very bloody please..
simply more spam, take it to general spammy!
08 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe sale of Jehovah's Witnesses' literature was gradually phased out in other
for goodness sake, your ignorance is acutely obvious, there is no charge for
literature nor can i remember the last time i was offered a donation for it, but of
course, your vastly superior knowledge and experience in the matter supersedes
mine, do you usually proffer an opinion of what you know practically nothing about?
The sale of Jehova ...[text shortened]... lking about, so just for both our sakes, just zip the lip, honestly, do yourself a
favour
countries, and The Watchtower has been distributed free of charge worldwide since
January 2000, its printing being funded by voluntary donations from Jehovah's
Witnesses and members of the public.
Save the trees!
by charging for it again
🙂