Spirituality
19 Oct 16
Originally posted by KellyJayBut isn't your noxious demented ideology, in combination with this rather silly attempt to condescend - just a variation of you pissing on the backs of fellow humans and then telling them it's raining?
Hell, like child rape, murder, war crimes, and several other really bad things cannot be dismissed as not real just because they are not "good" things to our thinking. Our feelings and emotions can be at odds with several topics and that doesn't mean reality will some how make the bad things go away.
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Originally posted by sonshipI'm going to be pretty blunt sonship, but I think you are lying here.
I am not sure what your issue is.
I think you know exactly what my issue is about the Bible saying that Jesus will be in the presence of billions of people as he personally burns then alive while supernaturally preventing them from dying or blinking out of existence...for eternity.
Your ideology is chokingly revolting, your stony-faced resolve to not see the "issue" is appalling dishonesty.
Originally posted by divegeesterI don't think its logically consistent to call someone dishonest simply because you do not agree with their perspective, nor to vilify them. Sure the ideology is abhorrent to the senses and incompatible with the idea of a loving beneficent creator, but one does not use an axe to fix a broken bone, surely?
I'm going to be pretty blunt sonship, but I think you are lying here.
I think you know exactly what my issue is about the Bible saying that Jesus will be in the presence of billions of people as he personally burns then alive while supernaturally preventing them from dying or blinking out of existence...for eternity.
Your ideology is chokingly revolting, your stony-faced resolve to not see the "issue" is appalling dishonesty.
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21 Oct 16
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are frequently found to be both blatantly and intellectually dishonest, so your position here isn't surprising.
I don't think its logically consistent to call someone dishonest simply because you do not agree with their perspective...
21 Oct 16
Originally posted by divegeesteri see the point i was making bounced off the side of your head and reverberated into the stratosphere. oh well thats what happens when one tries to reason with someone uninterested in reason.
You are frequently found to be both blatantly and intellectually dishonest, so your position here isn't surprising.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm interested in sonship, his twisted perspective of god's judgment and his disownance of the issues relating to it. I'm not interested in you, this is not about you. Why don't you go get some more strokes from chaney3. 😉
i see the point i was making bounced off the side of your head and reverberated into the stratosphere. oh well thats what happens when one tries to reason with someone uninterested in reason.
21 Oct 16
Originally posted by KellyJayIt all comes down to personal opinion. Even if you subscribe to the idea that the Bible is the inspired word of God I do not) and completely true you will find equally well versed and fair minded people who will give wildly different opinions on the meaning of the same verse.
So not due to any text just your opinion of how God should behave according your personal views?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'd say it's the most groteque and morally depraved thing that human minds have ever dredged up from their imagination. Bar nothing. It's quite simply as ghastly and as unhinged as an ideology can possibly get.
Sure the ideology is abhorrent to the senses and incompatible with the idea of a loving beneficent creator...
21 Oct 16
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Originally posted by bob58I agree fair minded people can disagree, even disagreeable people can too. 🙂 I also agree
It all comes down to personal opinion. Even if you subscribe to the idea that the Bible is the inspired word of God I do not) and completely true you will find equally well versed and fair minded people who will give wildly different opinions on the meaning of the same verse.
with you that we can wrong about things we believe, me included. I do find the verses I
have been sharing here very straight forward on their meaning and do not see wiggle
room with respect to the Lake of fire. With respect to different opinions on the same
verses, it isn't opinions that should concern any of us, but reality. As pointed out our likes
and dislikes do not change the color of the sky, neither will they alter what occurs when
God displays His wrath and mercy. One His grace will be outstanding beyond words and
no one who receives it will be worthy of it on their own, and those who receive His wrath
will receive it with cause, but none of them had too since a way was made for all to avoid
it.
21 Oct 16
Originally posted by KellyJayIsn't this just the same sort of thing as Dasa used to say? What makes you think that people here should believe you're more credible than him?
...it isn't opinions that should concern any of us, but reality. As pointed out our likes and dislikes do not change the color of the sky, ...
21 Oct 16
Originally posted by KellyJayDo you believe my Muslim neighbours are going to be tortured forever - because of your god's "wrath" - after they die?
God displays His wrath and mercy. One His grace will be outstanding beyond words and no one who receives it will be worthy of it on their own, and those who receive His wrath will receive it with cause, but none of them had too since a way was made for all to avoid
it.
21 Oct 16
Kelly,
For me it comes down to judging the source. I believe the New Testament is a biography of the live of Christ meant to inspire readers that Christ was real and he is the way to salvation. The Old Testament, who knows.
For those that believe the Bible is literally true interpreting the verses has some value but no matter what the interpretation is colored by each individuals life experiences.
For me, the Old Testament is a guide, nothing more. It was written by men with their own personal agendas and the ultimate truth is unknowable at least in this life.
21 Oct 16
Originally posted by bob58I agree with you the source for all of our judgments should be high on the lists of validating
Kelly,
For me it comes down to judging the source. I believe the New Testament is a biography of the live of Christ meant to inspire readers that Christ was real and he is the way to salvation. The Old Testament, who knows.
For those that believe the Bible is literally true interpreting the verses has some value but no matter what the interpretation is ...[text shortened]... men with their own personal agendas and the ultimate truth is unknowable at least in this life.
any topic not just this one.
I don't know how you came to the views you have about the NT and the OT or Jesus for
that matter. The NT and the OT are intertwined one sprang from the other and references
from the OT validate the NT and there are many references in the NT that validate the OT.
If you believe Jesus is the Son of God than that truth can be known in this life, as it was
both foretold in the OT and the NT since Jesus is our way to God the Father.