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17 Sep 19
17 Sep 19
@sonship saidIt has been my understanding that Rajk999 believes that eternal torment is the fate of certain types of "enemies" of God. I have never had him down as someone who 'denies' that there is eternal punishment.
So in one moment you side with those who deny this eternal punishment. But in another moment you pass sentence on me that for sure that is what is going to happen to me because of how I teach.
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I see what you mean, but my point was not about "scientific impossibility"; my point was about whether or not the "description" KellyJay was talking about - about "fire" in a "future event" - is metaphorical or literal.
And in making that point you site the problem of physical science.
Fire kills people stone dead and utterly destroys their bodies. It can do it in minutes. Is the fire somehow different in your "future event"?
my point was about whether or not the "description" KellyJay was talking about - about "fire" in a "future event" - is metaphorical or literal.
And in making some other point you site your problem with the physics of the matter. I'll give you that you want to know about the future - will the physics be the same or different, symbolism or material.
I.e. What is the nature of such strange eternal fire burning?
That was what Ghost of a Duke and KellyJay were talking about. And that was what my comment related to: whether the "fire" and the "event" are a literary device.
Fire ... utterly destroys their bodies. It can do it in minutes.
And making any other point the science of the matter is questioned.
Albeit is the future event involving fire as we presently know fire?
KellyJay asked for an explanation of how the "fire" could be a metaphor. Take a look at what I was responding to. He said, "You think it is a metaphor by all means explain it!"
Whatever Kellyjay asked for, YOU sited your objections an understanding of Revelation based on what you know about physical science.
Future or present event? That is a question like "we know how fire behaves now, Will your future event have a perhaps a different kind of fire?
I see it as partly a literary question / partly a physics question.
Are we talking metaphor or material science. Here's the problem with material science.
17 Sep 19
@sonship saidIf KellyJay wants to argue that a future event could involve the existence of "a different kind of fire" and therefore "fire" is literal and not a metaphor, then he can argue that if he wants.
Future or present event? That is a question like "we know how fire behaves now, Will your future event have a perhaps a different kind of fire?
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I was talking about how one could explain that "fire" was a literary device.
In the past I have written my thoughts on this also. Folks this is what I said before briefly. Something like this:
The nature of Bible prophecy is often that we are given the tip of the iceberg above the surface. Unseen is more than what the prophetic words stated.
In accordance to how prophecy often is it will be that which is spoken AND SOME.
So, a lava flow of some kind may be the part of which we are told. But what ends up happening is that PLUS something of which we are not now told.
That way the words are true. But it is just that the words are not exhaustive.
The punished could be physically thrown body, soul, spirit into a lava flow or some brimstone fire familiar to all mankind. Yet supernaturally something else is taking place in addition.
The words of the prophecy were true. But the words of the prophecy were not exhaustive.
17 Sep 19
@sonship saidSo does all this stuff you have typed mean that you can now see that I was talking about how one could explain that "fire" was a literary device?I was talking about how one could explain that "fire" was a literary device.
In the past I have written my thoughts on this also. Folks this is what I said before briefly. Something like this:
The nature of Bible prophecy is often that we are given the tip of the iceberg above the surface. Unseen is more than what the prophetic words stated.
In acc ...[text shortened]... ition.
The words of the prophecy were true. But the words of the prophecy were not exhaustive.
17 Sep 19
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Any cowerd or mhoron chan dump a quote and sey notheing dueds.... "walk your faith" remeinds me of this dufis who haes a lisense plate that says liv4god.... he speeds arhouind town and parkes in the handkap spot at the ghym. he ghets in and out of his lifted six silender truck no troeble and he lietfst a lot of wheights dueds. he walks three big dogs all ovir the neighberhood man... It seems that eveiryone who tells us how to lieve has credibelity trouble, dueds.
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So does all this stuff you have typed mean that you can now see that I was talking about how one could explain that "fire" was a literary device?
No. "All this stuff" means I know you are stubborn and I might as well salvage some time, going on to something else. That for the sake of others reading.
17 Sep 19
@sonship saidOdd isn't it, we are talking about what happens to people after they have died and the argument is fire burns things up.I can't remember ANY non-believer here asking you about the "science" of eternal torture.- FMF
Fire kills people stone dead and utterly destroys their bodies. It can do it in minutes. Is the fire somehow different in your "future event"?
- Same FMF to KellyJay
17 Sep 19
@sonship saidIt would seem then that what I said to KellyJay has gone over your head.
@FMF
So does all this stuff you have typed mean that you can now see that I was talking about how one could explain that "fire" was a literary device?
No. "All this stuff" means I know you are stubborn and I might as well salvage some time, going on to something else. That for the sake of others reading.
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01 Nov 19
@sonship said“A different kind of fire”
.Future or present event? That is a question like "we know how fire behaves now, Will your future event have a perhaps a different kind of fire?
I see it as partly a literary question / partly a physics question.
Are we talking metaphor or material science. Here's the problem with material science.
As in a kind of fire that doesn’t cause the pain of flesh burning?