Originally posted by galveston75I honestly dont understand your question.
No I am not part of the 144,000. I know I don't meet those qualifications.
And sorry you don't get the scriptures on this and can't answer my question about how will he be here on earth? Spirit, human or what?
The Bible says Christ will return.
That He will be on earth
What does it matter what he is? spirit or otherwise?
We will see him. The Bible is very clear on that point.
Originally posted by galveston75There is a group of Christians that believe they will form the 144,000. Do you agree with them? Or would you agree that the 144,000 is made up of Jews - decendents of Jacob only?
No I am not part of the 144,000. I know I don't meet those qualifications.
And sorry you don't get the scriptures on this and can't answer my question about how will he be here on earth? Spirit, human or what?
Originally posted by galveston75Why do you want him to be human?
Cross reference Dan 7:13, Matt 26:64, Rev 1:7. It's interesting to note in Rev. that the ones who pierced him will see him too. How could that be since they've been dead for a few thousand years?
But again none of these say once he would be human and walking on the face of this planet.
Originally posted by Rajk999I agree with Rajk999 on the return of Jesus Christ.
I honestly dont understand your question.
The Bible says Christ will return.
That He will be on earth
What does it matter what he is? spirit or otherwise?
We will see him. The Bible is very clear on that point.
But it is important that He is also "life giving Spirit".
To give life (give ZOE) actually means to give God.
Life giving means nothing less than "God giving".
The life giving Spirit is the Holy Spirit that gives God and Jesus Christ to people that they may live by Him.
The Spirit of God is eternal and had no beginning. The man Jesus Christ after His resurrection became the life giving Spirit.
You could possibly understand this as the man Jesus Christ being compounded into the eternal Spirit of God.
Or you could think of it this way: In eternity past the Spirit of the eternal God only contained divinity. After the resurrection of Jesus Christ the Spirit of God contained divinity and the humanity of the man Jesus of Nazareth.
The eternal Spirit of God had compounded into Him the incarnated, crucified and resurrected and enthroned Man Jesus.
The last Adam became a life giving Spirit according to 1 Cor. 15:45.
The life giving Spirit is the Jesus giving Spirit, the Father giving Spirit, the God giving Spirit, the eternal life giving Spirit. All the God has gone through is for the purpose of giving God into man.
Well, I have to admit it to you both. You really know how to side skirt an answer. But that's what happens when you can't answer it. You don't know.
It would just seem that if this is your belief to the heart, you'd want to have the facts and be able to give somewhat of an answer to such a simple question.
Ok lets try a little different one this time. Gen 11:7 says that God went down to confuse the languages at the Tower of Babel. Any idea what it meant that he "went down?"
Originally posted by galveston75I have to admit, you really dont know how to ask the right question ...🙂
Well, I have to admit it to you both. You really know how to side skirt an answer. But that's what happens when you can't answer it. You don't know.
It would just seem that if this is your belief to the heart, you'd want to have the facts and be able to give somewhat of an answer to such a simple question.
Ok lets try a little different one this tim ...[text shortened]... o confuse the languages at the Tower of Babel. Any idea what it meant that he "went down?"
Try again. Ask a question which has an answer in the Bible.
The question you are asking is the equivalent of asking What is the colour of Jesus's hair?
The is no point to it and no biblical answer.
Originally posted by Rajk999Now that really doesn't make sence...
I have to admit, you really dont know how to ask the right question ...🙂
Try again. Ask a question which has an answer in the Bible.
The question you are asking is the equivalent of asking What is the colour of Jesus's hair?
The is no point to it and no biblical answer.
Ok lets try again....Will Jesus be walking on this earth, our planet to the extent you as a human can see him? If it's not too hard will you answer if he will be in the flesh?
No answers? That only confirms that you don't know.
And I've noticed that neither of you have even touched the point that I made about what that would do to the sacrifice that he had made for us being annuled if he did come back to earth. It's no different then if you had died for me be to released from a kidnapper, and then after I was released, to go back and let them kidnap me again. Your sacrifice would have been for nothing...
Originally posted by galveston75==============================
Well, I have to admit it to you both. You really know how to side skirt an answer. But that's what happens when you can't answer it. You don't know.
It would just seem that if this is your belief to the heart, you'd want to have the facts and be able to give somewhat of an answer to such a simple question.
Ok lets try a little different one this tim ...[text shortened]... o confuse the languages at the Tower of Babel. Any idea what it meant that he "went down?"
Well, I have to admit it to you both. You really know how to side skirt an answer.
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If we are on the same page, you asked where does it say that Jesus will return to the earth.
I answered you with a long post. Now please discribe what question I skirted ?
Or does this mean that you just didn't like the answer ? Please spell out what question I (jaywill) evaded coming from you.
actualy my friends, the 144,OOO mentioned in the book of revelation cannot be natural Jews, for one, they do not know which tribe the belong to anymore, the records having been destroyed by the Romans, and secondly, if you notice there are subtle differences to the tribes mentioned in revelation chapter 7, from that of natural Israel,
for example Jacobs firstborn son Reuben lost his right as firstborn by his misconduct. (Ge 49:3, 4; 1Ch 5:1, 2) Joseph (the firstborn son of Jacob through his second, but favorite, wife Rachel) gained the privileges of firstborn son, including the right to have two parts, or portions, in Israel. (Ge 48:21, 22) In the Revelation list “Joseph” evidently stands for Ephraim and Manasseh represents Josephs second portion in spiritual Israel, for there never was a natural tribe of Joseph!
The tribe of Levi is listed and in order to make room for Levi without increasing the number of tribes, no tribe of Dan is included in Revelation 7:4-8, but apparently not because of any unsuitability on Dan’s part. The inclusion of Levi would also serve to show that there is no special priestly tribe in spiritual Israel, the entire spiritual nation being “a royal priesthood.”—1Pe 2:9.
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actualy my friends, the 144,OOO mentioned in the book of revelation cannot be natural Jews, for one, they do not know which tribe the belong to anymore, the records having been destroyed by the Romans, and secondly, if you notice there are subtle differences to the tribes mentioned from that of natural Isreal, for example Jacobs firstborn son Reuben ...[text shortened]... tribe in spiritual Israel, the entire spiritual nation being “a royal priesthood.”—1Pe 2:9.[/b]
actualy my friends, the 144,OOO mentioned in the book of revelation cannot be natural Jews, for one, they do not know which tribe the belong to anymore,
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I didn't get the impression from Revelation 7 that they had to know. God knows and counts it out for us.
You don't see a problem with God knowing though they did not, do you ?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSeriously Robbie, are you for real ?
actualy my friends, the 144,OOO mentioned in the book of revelation cannot be natural Jews, for one, they do not know which tribe the belong to anymore, the records having been destroyed by the Romans, and secondly, if you notice there are subtle differences to the tribes mentioned in revelation chapter 7, from that of natural Israel,
for example ...[text shortened]... tribe in spiritual Israel, the entire spiritual nation being “a royal priesthood.”—1Pe 2:9.[/b]
Never thought I would be telling you this but that entire post is nonsense. Total utter rubbish. Please... think .. think.
The Jews dont know which tribe ..... Lol .. goodness me Robbie....
Am I the only person not brainwashed by a particular sect of religious fanatics ?
Originally posted by galveston75Whats the colour of Jesus hair ... any takers ?
Ok lets try a little different one this time o confuse the languages at the Tower of Babel. Any idea what it meant that he "went down? to the earth"
No takers on this???
Its very important. Ok youall dont know. Just say you dont know the colour of Jesus's hair.
On judgment day Jesus will separate everybody into two groups. Those who know the colour of his hair and those who dont. It very importnat that you know ..... come on ... tell me.
Originally posted by jaywillCorrect.
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actualy my friends, the 144,OOO mentioned in the book of revelation cannot be natural Jews, for one, they do not know which tribe the belong to anymore,
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I didn't get the impression from Revelation 7 that they had to know. God knows and counts it out for us.
You don't see a problem with God knowing though they did not, do you ?[/b]