19 Jun 09
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this is almost as incredulous as the Islamic belief that Christ will return and appear above the mosque at Medina, a Muslim for all to behold!
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You should know that Moslem's adjust the Bible to accomodate Islamic beliefs.
These variations do not make the Bible untrue.
19 Jun 09
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Originally posted by menace71Thanks Manny. I know and I wanted galvaston to tell us.
It does talk about a multitude of every tribe and tongue and there standing before God.
Manny
This conversation though is developing into more of a "chat".
I am more accustomed to substantial posts. The chit chat style of this thread I will soon weary of.
Not you're fault.
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by jaywillnor do they make the claim that Christ will physically stand on literal Jerusalem true either, what is it about "Jerusalem above", "New Jerusalem" and "spiritual Israel", that you do not understand?
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this is almost as incredulous as the Islamic belief that Christ will return and appear above the mosque at Medina, a Muslim for all to behold!
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You should know that Moslem's adjust the Bible to accomodate Islamic beliefs.
These variations do not make the Bible untrue.[/b]
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by galveston75=============================
Well Ok then. You'll be looking for a very long time but, ok.
Just look up in other language referances and you'll see what the wording meant. It's in a spritual sence, not a literal one.
((((( But still no one has answered me why he has to come back to earth to rule as King? ))))
But still no one has answered me why he has to come back to earth to rule as King?
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You, on the other hand, have not refuted that He will come back physically.
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRobbie,
nor do they make the claim that Christ will physically stand on literal Jerusalem true either, what is it about "Jerusalem above", "New Jerusalem" and "spiritual Israel", that you do not understand?
I appreciate your perception at least to your view. These matters take time to explain. They do not lend themselves to chat room one or two liners.
Do you know what I mean ?
So I think if you have, for me at least, a desire for some substantial explanations maybe you can open up another thread on those specific issues.
My posts are longer. I don't like to chat out inadaquate one or two line replies on involved subjects like "Jerusalem above" or "New Jerusalem".
19 Jun 09
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Originally posted by jaywillok Jaywill, but you need to find a happy medium, somewhere between 'chat room text', sized posts, a 'reams and reams of scroll like posts', 🙂
Robbie,
I appreciate your perception at least to your view. These matters take time to explain. They do not lend themselves to chat room one or two liners.
Do you know what I mean ?
So I think if you have, for me at least, a desire for some substantial explanations maybe you can open up another thread on those specific issues.
My posts ar ate one or two line replies on involved subjects like "Jerusalem above" or "New Jerusalem".
by the way, when Jesus entered the temple in Nazareth? he read from the scroll of Isaiah, Isaiah 29:18
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been reared; and, according to his custom on the sabbath day, he entered into the synagogue, and he stood up to read. So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: “Jehovahs spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor, he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release, to preach Jehovahs acceptable year.” With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed upon him. Then he started to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”
how long was that scroll and how long would it have taken Christ to find the verse? 🙂
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't know. But I enjoyed reading the passage.
ok Jaywill, but you need to find a happy medium, somewhere between 'chat room text', sized posts, a 'reams and reams of scroll like posts', 🙂
by the way, when Jesus entered the temple in Nazareth? he read from the scroll of Isaiah, Isaiah 29:18
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been reared; and, according to his custom on the sabbath day, ...[text shortened]... .”
how long was that scroll and how long would it have taken Christ to find the verse? 🙂
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobie==========================
nor do they make the claim that Christ will physically stand on literal Jerusalem true either, what is it about "Jerusalem above", "New Jerusalem" and "spiritual Israel", that you do not understand?
what is it about "Jerusalem above", "New Jerusalem" and "spiritual Israel", that you do not understand?
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Neither "Jerusalem above" nor "New Jerusalem" nor "Spiritual Israel" preclude that Jesus Christ will not physically be enthroned in Jerusalem, reigning over the globe from that place.
In all three cases, they simply do not negate the reigning of Jesus from that city in the Mideast, especially during the 1,000 year millennial kingdom before the eternal age.
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by jaywillFinally..Thank you. That's all I asked for was a simple answer.
galvaston, you're boasting that people are not answering your questions. And you are pretending to be patient and ask questions another way.
Please stop posturing. I gave you a long post with definite passages on Christ's physical return. And references to the spiritual state of Christ then and now also accompanied them.
I think you just don't like the ...[text shortened]... physically stand upon this world in Jerusalem and establish His throne in that physical city.
19 Jun 09
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Isaiah 11:1-11 speak of the Restoration to take place on the earth.
Jesus refers to this restoration in Matthew 19:28 and says that His twelve disciples will sit on twelve thrones with Him and judge the twelve tribes of Israel.
Jesus refers to Himself sitting on "the throne of His glory". That will be a throne on this planet and not in heaven.
Jesus again refers to Himself sitting on "the throne of His glory" in Matthew 25:31. There He speaks of judging the sheep nations and the goat nations.
These are nations that are physically alive when He returns. They are not being resurreced. Physically. from the throne of His glory in the Holy Land Jesus will decide the judgment of living nations.
The restoration is also refered to in Acts 3.
Many other verses refer to this time of restoration of the earth to its Edenic situation during the 1,000 year millennial. Christ will use that time to fulfill some promises to the nation of Israel. And He will reign from Jerusalem on that throne of His glory.
"Jerusalem above" or "heavenly Jerusalem" does not negate this part of Bible prophecy.
19 Jun 09
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYoure right!
its not brainwashing its just common knowledge, no present day Jewish person can tell you which tribe they belong to, the records were destroyed, and as the great crowd that is mentioned in revelation and the 144,000 stand before the lamb and his thrown, after the great tribulation that is to come upon the entire inhabited earth, it is, as yet a futu ...[text shortened]... as in Scotland or America, for all the people come from all tribes, tongues and nations. Rev 7.
I had another read of Rev 7:4 and it says :
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the Jehovah Witness Church..
I believe ... I believe... 😀
19 Jun 09
Rev 12: 7-12 speaks of the Devil and that he had been hurled down to the earth. This means he was now confined to the earth and no longer had free choise of where he went.
Any ideas on when this happened or will happen? Will this happen before or after Jesus comes down to earth to rule, as you say...
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by galveston75Whats the colour of Jesus hair ... any takers ?
Rev 12: 7-12 speaks of the Devil and that he had been hurled down to the earth. This means he was now confined to the earth and no longer had free choise of where he went.
Any ideas on when this happened or will happen? Will this happen before or after Jesus comes down to earth to rule, as you say...
Its very important. Ok youall dont know. Just say you dont know the colour of Jesus's hair.
On judgment day Jesus will separate everybody into two groups. Those who know the colour of his hair and those who dont. It very importnat that you know ..... come on ... tell me.
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by Rajk999Wow..somebodys loosing it... Sorry I asked such disturbing questions. Will you be ok?
Whats the colour of Jesus hair ... any takers ?
Its very important. Ok youall dont know. Just say you dont know the colour of Jesus's hair.
On judgment day Jesus will separate everybody into two groups. Those who know the colour of his hair and those who dont. It very importnat that you know ..... come on ... tell me.