Luke 7:50

Originally posted by no1marauder
Yes, it takes a lot of study to see things that aren't there. Haven't got to John yet, but the other three Gospels say TWO, not four. Does your "Secret Decoder Ring" say differently??

EDIT: It's unanimous: John 19:18: 18 where they crucified him, and with him two others, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

Jesus in the "midst" should be a clue right there. It would say "between" if there were two.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
If you really are interested here is a link that takes you step by step.
http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=516

I'm not interested. I can read the passages which are explicit. If you want someone else to tell you what to think, that's your problem.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Jesus in the "midst" should be a clue right there. It would say "between" if there were two.

Are you illiterate? ON EITHER SIDE ONE!

Originally posted by no1marauder
Are you illiterate? ON EITHER SIDE ONE!

I didn't think you were interested....let's just call it a day.🙂

Originally posted by checkbaiter
I didn't think you were interested....let's just call it a day.🙂

I'm completely amazed that you "Secret Decoder Ring Christians" can misinterpret the Bible when it is utterly explicit on a point. It's no wonder why people like you and RBHILL don't have a clue about Jesus' teachings.

Originally posted by no1marauder
I'm completely amazed that you "Secret Decoder Ring Christians" can misinterpret the Bible when it is utterly explicit on a point. It's no wonder why people like you and RBHILL don't have a clue about Jesus' teachings.

Nowing it doesn't save you.

Only Jesus can save you.

You can get to heaven on good works.

Originally posted by RBHILL

You can get to heaven on good works.

You can?

Originally posted by flyUnity
You can?

Read Matthew 25:31-46 for further details.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Read Matthew 25:31-46 for further details.

aww common, tell me what it says

Originally posted by flyUnity
aww common, tell me what it says

You don't read the Bible? You're an odd "Christian".

EDIT: I'll be nice (though it kills me)

31 But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory:

32 and before him shall be gathered all the nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats;

33 and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in;

36 naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or athirst, and gave thee drink?

38 And when saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 And when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink;

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not unto one of these least, ye did it not unto me.

46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.

Originally posted by no1marauder
You don't read the Bible? You're an odd "Christian".

EDIT: I'll be nice (though it kills me)

31 But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory:

32 and before him shall be gathered all the nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separa ...[text shortened]... e.

46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.

Thankyou, 🙂


I see it that a Christian will have good works, if he truly is a christian, However good works alone isnt what saves you,

For by Grace are you saved through faith, and not of works lest any man should boast

Faith without works is dead, so your partially right

Originally posted by no1marauder
Another example of your inability to read and understand perfectly plain Scripture.

"Do you see this woman? I entered your house, you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair.
[45] You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not ceased to kiss my feet.
[46] You did not ...[text shortened]... of all context and read it to mean the EXACT opposite of what the passage is saying! Incredible!

I believe I'm in agreement with you no1marauder, walking in faith
is taking what you believe is reality and making your life fit what you
believe is true, but are not able to prove. Thus James is correct when
he says he can show you his faith by what he does, and Paul is
correct in that we are saved by faith not by works too. We act because
of our faith, our works do not save us, they are just the fruit of what
we really believe and make important in our lives. Jesus saves us,
and we act accordingly, because of God's grace and mercy given to us.
Kelly

Originally posted by flyUnity
Thankyou, 🙂


I see it that a Christian will have good works, if he truly is a christian, However good works alone isnt what saves you,

For by Grace are you saved through faith, and not of works lest any man should boast

Faith without works is dead, so your partially right

Tell it to RBHILL not me. "It is the faith that she had that saved her NOTHING else". (RB this thread).

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe I'm in agreement with you no1marauder, walking in faith
is taking what you believe is reality and making your life fit what you
believe is true, but are not able to prove. Thus James is correct when
he says he can show you his faith by what he does, and Paul is
correct in that we are saved by faith not by works too. We act because
of our fai ...[text shortened]... . Jesus saves us,
and we act accordingly, because of God's grace and mercy given to us.
Kelly

Maybe. Let's put it this way, there are four possible combinations:

A: Faith and Works
B: Faith but no Works
C: No Faith, but Works
D: No Faith, No Works

We can agree that according to the NT, Group A is saved. We can agree than according to the NT, Group D is damned.

That leaves Groups B and C. I take it you would say they are both damned. RB would say that Group B is saved, but Group C is damned. I would say for sure that Group B is damned (according to the NT) but I'm not positive about Group C. It depends on how you look at the Gospels. I'd be willing to debate the fate of Groups B and C according to the Gospels if people want to site specific passages in support of their arguments. I'm not that interested in reading a whole bunch of Pauline quotes though.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Maybe. Let's put it this way, there are four possible combinations:

A: Faith and Works
B: Faith but no Works
C: No Faith, but Works
D: No Faith, No Works

We can agree that according to the NT, Group A is saved. We can agree than according to the NT, Group D is damned.

That leaves Groups B and C. I take it you would say they are bo ...[text shortened]... of their arguments. I'm not that interested in reading a whole bunch of Pauline quotes though.

It is like going to the movies, you pay you walk in and watch
the movie you bought the ticket for. Jesus bought the ticket,
we walk in faith, which is doing what we know he wants. That
is different that donig what we think he wants to get him to
buy us that ticket.

My views of the combinations:

1. There are those who don't do anything because they 'believe'
and that is all, they live their lives fulfilling any and every
sinful desire they have.
2. There will be those thinking God owes them passage into
God's Kingdom because of the good things they did,
3. The rest will be working on their own righteousness and other
means to make God happy, or ignore him. They will get what
the fruit of their works demand in the end too.
4. There are those that come to know God in His grace, turn
their lives over to him and walk with God in faith.

Only that last group will know God and serve Him. They are saved by
God's grace, the rest are not, they are damned. My list is close to
yours, just a little different I think.
Kelly