13 Mar 18
Telling the whole truth doesn't happen overnight
And I suggest that one does tell only truth for a good while before they engage in deceit
You must know pure truth before you can start embellishing
For the record I've been telling only truth as I see it on these forums and I can see some of it is hard to swallow but I wont apologize
13 Mar 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThis being the case, would Jesus himself have considered certain lies as morally acceptable? (if they prevented harm being done to others etc). The classic example of course is
A great contribution to the thread. To my mind, it has been aptly argued that lying is occasionally a necessity and a wise course of action,..and yes, at times even a moral obligation.
This being the case, would Jesus himself have considered certain lies as morally acceptable? (if they prevented harm being done to others etc). The classic example ...[text shortened]... ad gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as it were, in secret."
(John 7:8) -"Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come."
(John 7:10) - "But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as it were, in secret."
How exactly is that an example?
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneSorry, that should have read, "The classic example of 'Jesus' possibly telling a lie' is of course....."
[b]This being the case, would Jesus himself have considered certain lies as morally acceptable? (if they prevented harm being done to others etc). The classic example of course is
(John 7:8) -"Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come."
(John 7:10) - "But when His brothers had gone up to th ...[text shortened]... f also went up, not publicly, but as it were, in secret."
How exactly is that an example?[/b]
Feel free to explain though why the passage in John doesn't identify a lie. (Say's he's not going to the feast, but then secretly goes).
13 Mar 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelIt is nice to open the curtains and windows. It is also dangerous.
Telling the whole truth doesn't happen overnight
And I suggest that one does tell only truth for a good while before they engage in deceit...
13 Mar 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeC'mon. Given that you backed it off to "possibly telling a lie" , seems likely that you've been able to come up with a few scenarios yourself.
Sorry, that should have read, "The classic example of 'Jesus' possibly telling a lie' is of course....."
Feel free to explain though why the passage in John doesn't identify a lie. (Say's he's not going to the feast, but then secretly goes).
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThe passages you quote refer to the circumstances of his entrance to Jerusalem, which he wished to coincide with the feast of the Passover. I do not see what they have to do with lying to avert injustice. In order that his purpose be fulfilled, injustice had to be done (and woe to them who had to do it).
... would Jesus himself have considered certain lies as morally acceptable? (if they prevented harm being done to others etc). The classic example of course is
(John 7:8) -"Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come."
(John 7:10) - "But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as it were, in secret."
Originally posted by @thinkofoneDefend your own position, for once.
C'mon. Given that you backed it off to "possibly telling a lie" , seems likely that you've been able to come up with a few scenarios yourself.
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Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemLet's see.
Defend your own position, for once.
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GoaD made an assertion.
I questioned that assertion.
GoaD backed off from that assertion.
Now somehow you believe that I should "defend [my] position"?
Perhaps you should learn how to think logically - for once.
14 Mar 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneC'mon, ToO, give your explanation as to why Jesus wasn't telling a whopper in the quoted verse.
Let's see.
GoaD made an assertion.
I questioned that assertion.
GoaD backed off from that assertion.
Now somehow you believe that I should "defend [my] position"?
Perhaps you should learn how to think logically - for once.
Put up, or shut up.
14 Mar 18
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemYou're really too funny.
C'mon, ToO, give your explanation as to why Jesus wasn't telling a whopper in the quoted verse.
Put up, or shut up.
Do you honestly believe that you're being rational about this?
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneYou really need to do better at masking when you’re dodging questions.
You're really too funny.
Do you honestly believe that you're being rational about this?
You dodge them so often one would think you’d be better at it.
Originally posted by @romans1009While bdp is funny. You're merely pathetic.
You really need to do better at masking when you’re dodging questions.
You dodge them so often one would think you’d be better at it.
14 Mar 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneYour excuse-making is what is irrational.
You're really too funny.
Do you honestly believe that you're being rational about this?
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneShall I list all the questions you’ve dodged in the brief time I’ve been here to maintain your “Jesus was just a man” malarkey?
While bdp is funny. You're merely pathetic.
It’d require a significant investment of time as you’ve dodged a boatload - several boatloads in fact.