Meta-narrative

@fmf said
Of course you are.

We can have opinions about the truth, but those are opinions. You are the one
hung up on opinions while avoiding the truth.

@divegeester said
You just accused me of mentioning “your opinions” in a post I made. I made no mention of “your opinions” in that post.

Pay attention.

You should go back and read the exchanges what was said and what was replied
to and look for those words. Talking to you can be such a total waste of time, even
something so small that you get wrong, you refuse to acknowledge your error on
something as trivial as this, let alone the things you have to apply your brain for
understanding.

@kellyjay said
We can have opinions about the truth, but those are opinions. You are the one
hung up on opinions while avoiding the truth.

All you are doing here is talking about your personal opinions about "the truth".

@fmf said
All you are doing here is talking about your personal opinions about "the truth".

You seem to be missing the forest for the trees; our opinions are all about the truth
we are looking for it; we believe it is there, which is why we do science for our own
understanding to understand the truth of it all, we can do logic so we can look at
things and understand them because truth has a nature about it that lies, and errors
do not have. If you are going to suggest that there is no such thing as truth,
besides the fact that you will immediately run afoul of logic, you would also have
nothing on which to prove it; even speculating about it will give you nothing; there
would nothing to get without truth.

@kellyjay said
You seem to be missing the forest for the trees; our opinions are all about the truth
we are looking for it; we believe it is there, which is why we do science for our own
understanding to understand the truth of it all, we can do logic so we can look at
things and understand them because truth has a nature about it that lies, and errors
do not have. If you are going to ...[text shortened]... rove it; even speculating about it will give you nothing; there
would nothing to get without truth.

We can but speculate about what "the truth" is in these matters.

@fmf said
We can but speculate about what "the truth" is in these matters.

Ever learning, and never coming to knowledge that sums up the totality of your
way of thinking.

@kellyjay said
Ever learning, and never coming to knowledge that sums up the totality of your
way of thinking.

If you want to assert that you have more "knowledge" than me, KellyJay, that's your prerogative.

@fmf said
If you want to assert that you have more "knowledge" than me, KellyJay, that's your prerogative.

Exactly what knowledge are you referring to? Did you come to some conclusion
that isn't pure speculation on your part; some truth?

@kellyjay said
You should go back and read the exchanges what was said and what was replied
to and look for those words. Talking to you can be such a total waste of time, even
something so small that you get wrong, you refuse to acknowledge your error on
something as trivial as this, let alone the things you have to apply your brain for
understanding.

You are talking in this thread about your own personal opinions are you not?

@divegeester said
You are talking in this thread about your own personal opinions are you not?

Do you even have a personality that would really want to know, or are you just running on automatic at this stage?

@kellyjay said
Exactly what knowledge are you referring to? Did you come to some conclusion
that isn't pure speculation on your part; some truth?

It's you that is making claims about your "knowledge" and my supposed lack of it, not me. So, what "knowledge" are you claiming to have? If you speculate, KellyJay, and "come to a conclusion" do you honestly think that that "conclusion" is "knowledge of the truth" and not simply your personal faith/opinion?

@fmf said
It's you that is making claims about your "knowledge" and my supposed lack of it, not me. So, what "knowledge" are you claiming to have? If you speculate, KellyJay, and "come to a conclusion" do you honestly think that that "conclusion" is "knowledge of the truth" and not simply your personal faith/opinion?

The topic is a meta-narrative and all-encompassing truth covering it from beginning
to end. Not what does KellyJay think about the beginning to the end; my opinion
about the specifics is no different than anyone else, but I believe it is an inescapable
truth that it is real. If it isn't, then you can prove it by simply showing some truths
that are in direct conflict with one another; the example I used earlier having two
places hotter than each other at the same time, that cannot happen or anything
like it, so there is a harmony of truth throughout the whole.

This means that the whole shares the same beginning; it shares the same reason
for being here, the opinions we may carry about it if they don't line up with the
truth in the universe, no matter how devoted we are to them, no matter how
strongly we believe in them if they are not in agreement with the truth, we are
in error.

If you want to argue any of that, please be specific to the points you disagree with,
if all you want to do is talk about me, I'll ignore you.

@kellyjay said
The topic is a meta-narrative and all-encompassing truth covering it from beginning
to end. Not what does KellyJay think about the beginning to the end; my opinion
about the specifics is no different than anyone else, but I believe it is an inescapable
truth that it is real.

All you have to offer is your personal opinion about a supposed "meta-narrative and all-encompassing truth covering it from beginning to end". That's all. Your assertions about "the truth" in this context are entirely subjective. The assertions about an "all-encompassing truth" are completely personal and speculative.

@kellyjay said
This means that the whole shares the same beginning; it shares the same reason
for being here, the opinions we may carry about it if they don't line up with the
truth in the universe, no matter how devoted we are to them, no matter how
strongly we believe in them if they are not in agreement with the truth, we are
in error.

I don't think it really matters whether or not you personally feel you might be "in error" if what you say does not "line up" with what you personally believe is "the truth in the universe".

@kellyjay said
If you want to argue any of that, please be specific to the points you disagree with,
if all you want to do is talk about me, I'll ignore you.

Feel free to do so. That's how it seems to me already anyway. Try talking to @visted2 about it instead.