Meta-narrative

@kellyjay said
I get you too have beliefs, you assume that life is not eternal, you assume that
no one will stand responsible for things done in this life. Assumptions that there
is no standard right and wrong for everyone equally without respect for the
person. You don't see how now can only be understood by how it all came to
be, without taking the whole into account. Anyone can make ...[text shortened]... up they
want about any part of life while ignoring the parts that don't fit in the whole
picture.

Tell me more about how you declaring yourself to be immortal is part of the only "objective" explanation of the universe that makes any "logical sense".

@kellyjay said
You don't see how now can only be understood by how it all came to
be, without taking the whole into account.

Neither of us knows "how it all came to be". I am willing to admit it. You, meanwhile, have your religious faith and you feel the need to big-it-up by claiming it makes you "know" things that are, in fact, just your personal opinions.

@fmf said
Tell me more about how you declaring yourself to be immortal is part of the only "objective" explanation of the universe that makes any "logical sense".

God is the God of life; when Jesus spoke about that, He declared that even those
that passed from this life were still living. It is the second death where we fail to
come to the Lord of life and are completely cut off from it.

When God created life, He shared with the plants, animals, and us the ability to
multiply making new life, the whole of creation was to be fruitful, and now we
spend a lot of time embracing death and denying life, ceasing to be fruitful
instead. Now it is thought that death is just a natural part of this creation, a
needed part to evolve into something other than what we are, never being
satisfied with now.

@fmf said
Neither of us knows "how it all came to be". I am willing to admit it. You, meanwhile, have your religious faith and you feel the need to big-it-up by claiming it makes you "know" things that are, in fact, just your personal opinions.

God gives us His Spirit when we are His, you either have it or not.

@kellyjay said
God is the God of life; when Jesus spoke about that, He declared that even those
that passed from this life were still living. It is the second death where we fail to
come to the Lord of life and are completely cut off from it.

When God created life, He shared with the plants, animals, and us the ability to
multiply making new life, the whole of creation was to be frui ...[text shortened]... on, a
needed part to evolve into something other than what we are, never being
satisfied with now.

I know what the tenets of your faith are, KellyJay. If the only "narrative" that makes "logical" sense to you is a religious one, so be it.

@kellyjay said
God gives us His Spirit when we are His, you either have it or not.

This was my perspective too, back in the day.

@kellyjay said
What brand is that?

Your brand, as I said.

@kellyjay said
The same point throughout the whole conversation Christ in us, while he denies
that and denies God. The day of judgment will reveal it all correct, but in this life,
there is a seal God gives His own, one also denied by fmf.

I hope you don’t “fall away” at the end of your life and end up undoing the credit you’ve built up doing all the evangelical work you have done in your neighbourhood to help prevent people ending up in the same place you would if you do “fall away”.

Fingers crossed huh!

@fmf said
I get that you think your beliefs have rendered you immortal and that mine have rendered me somehow deserving of posthumous, neverending torture. And also I get that you present this as an "objective" point of view and the only "narrative" that makes any "logical sense".

Let’s hope that jellyjay’s god given faith isn’t “destroyed” by you, or me discussing his beliefs with him in this forum, as @jospehw suggested the other day.

Gosh it would be tragic if after coming to earth and dying a terrible death, that KellyJay’s or Josephw’s version of Jesus was such a failure that he was unable to keep them safe from the onslaught of faith-destroying debate and they were excluded from the “few” who managed to hang on till the last day of their life!

@fmf said
I know what the tenets of your faith are, KellyJay. If the only "narrative" that makes "logical" sense to you is a religious one, so be it.

Give me your narrative that consistent and all encompassing.

@fmf said
This was my perspective too, back in the day.

You deny now it happened to you, now you claim it was simply a false belief worthy of rejection. Correct?

@divegeester said
Your brand, as I said.

Not very descriptive, you could say that to anyone else and depending on each person the meaning would change.

@divegeester said
I hope you don’t “fall away” at the end of your life and end up undoing the credit you’ve built up doing all the evangelical work you have done in your neighbourhood to help prevent people ending up in the same place you would if you do “fall away”.

Fingers crossed huh!

We are saved by Christ not by our efforts.

@fmf said
I know what the tenets of your faith are, KellyJay. If the only "narrative" that makes "logical" sense to you is a religious one, so be it.

You can call it religious or by any other descriptive word you choose. It doesn’t matter how you feel about the narrative it only matters if it reflects reality or not. There are not religious truths and scientific truths there is only truth.

@kellyjay said
Give me your narrative that consistent and all encompassing.

Encompassing all of what? Consistent with what?