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@kellyjay said
All of those without Christ, no matter
how much they proclaim it or no matter how hard they try to measure up are
outside of Christ.

Saying God isn't real, we cannot know God as truth only shows that what it
takes to be a Christian, Jesus Christ, was only a wishful thought, not a reality.

@kellyjay said
Saying God isn't real, we cannot know God as truth only shows that what it
takes to be a Christian, Jesus Christ, was only a wishful thought, not a reality.

@fmf said
Because in making your "point" you are being narcissistic and the application of 'believers' terminology' to non-believers, as if it carries some moral weight based purely on your religionist zeal, is ostentatiously "technocratic" and quite obviously performative.

@kellyjay said
So you can say what you think because you think it and you don’t approve when it is done to you.

@fmf said
"No matter how much they proclaim it"? Are you talking about me? "How hard they try to measure up"?? Have you not read any of my posts?

Why are you fabricating and superimposing things onto my experience of faith whichare easy for you to be facetious about? What kind of discussion is this?

What's with all the amnesic and disingenuous posting?

@kellyjay said
I accept that he says he was a Christian, but what we say isn't the definition wego by for Christianity.

@divegeester said
“We”, who’s “we”?

I see, so you “take him at his word” as once being a Christian… but only as long as what he says meets your personal criteria for being one?

This is getting worse!

@kellyjay said
It isn't getting worse; it has been the same criteria since the discussion started.

@divegeester said
Nice dodge!
Here again is what you needed to respond to…

So you “take him at his word” as once being a Christian… but only as long as what he says meets your personal criteria for being one?

@kellyjay said
I accept that he says he was a Christian, but what we say isn't the definition we
go by for Christianity. No matter how anyone has tried to live, what they did,
what they said, or how much truth they think they know, can any of that get us
right with God outside of Jesus. Not having God in them means they don't
belong to the Lord, and they are not right with God; if all ...[text shortened]... hows that what it
takes to be a Christian, Jesus Christ, was only a wishful thought, not a reality.

@kellyjay said
Go back and read the responses since obviously you have no idea why I disagree.

@kellyjay said
Not everything I say is about you sometimes you are not even in my thoughts.

@Indonesia-Phil
Yes

@FMF
That is what you claim; the scriptures say something different, and so does my
experience. You can deny my experience, but more than a few claim the same thing
for quite some time, which goes against your assertion. You can only speculate; with
that, assuming your correct in what we can know.

@fmf said
divegeester asks you about me and you answer him. I call you out for your disingenuous answer and you run away claiming what you said in answer to divegeester's question about me is somehow not anout me. You are being oddly low-integrity.