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@kellyjay said
I was speaking to you.

You have cowered away from discussion of the "Anti-Christ" label being attached to a non-Christian.

@kellyjay said
I was speaking to you.

Don't belittle yourself, KellyJay. Isn't you calling me "an Anti-Christ" ~ intellectually and interpersonally speaking ~ just like you accusing me of being closer to the opponent's goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent when the ball is played by a teammate? And then blowing your whistle for offside and awarding yourself a free-kick ~ when you are the one playing soccer while I am neither playing soccer nor, indeed, am I even a soccer player?

@kellyjay said

All I have done is take him at his word

So you keep saying, but you’re lying.

He says he was a Christian and you don’t believe him.

@divegeester said
So you keep saying, but you’re lying.

He says he was a Christian and you don’t believe him.

That is not true, and I believe him when he says he used to call himself a Christian
that is not what I have highlighted but that you seem to overlook.

@divegeester said
He says he was a Christian and you don’t believe him.

I'm not sure that KellyJay realizes that, if he applies the same logic to himself that he applies to me, then he is NOT a Christian YET.

@kellyjay said
I believe him when he says he used to call himself a Christian
that is not what I have highlighted but that you seem to overlook.

I did more than "call myself" a Christian, KellyJay. I lived and breathed the faith [like you claim to do] and it permeated everything [as you claim it does] and it was life-changing [as you have claimed it is for you]. I have described this over and over again. Why are you pretending not to have read any of my posts?

@kellyjay said
That is not true, and I believe him when he says he used to call himself a Christian
that is not what I have highlighted but that you seem to overlook.

Why are you so incessantly disingenuous?

@fmf said
Don't belittle yourself, KellyJay. Isn't you calling me "an Anti-Christ" ~ intellectually and interpersonally speaking ~ just like you accusing me of being closer to the opponent's goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent when the ball is played by a teammate? And then blowing your whistle for offside and awarding yourself a free-kick ~ when you are the one playing soccer while I am neither playing soccer nor, indeed, am I even a soccer player?

My saying you speak against God, Jesus, and the Father as God, who interacts with
His creation is my point which is anti-Christ. You consistently say we cannot
know Him, and you don't acknowledge Him, you deny it all, that is being anti.

If you think there is God's side and God's opponent's side, whose side are you on?

@fmf said
You have cowered away from discussion of the "Anti-Christ" label being attached to a non-Christian.

More name-calling, you think I'm cowering away, seriously, you have a real difficult
time with reality as it is.

@fmf said
Why are you so incessantly disingenuous?

I'm consistent nothing disingenuous about what I have been saying, suggesting
that is more of the same from you; go after me, not the topic. I assume next
because I point out to you you are calling me disingenuous; you'll claim I'm playing
the victim card, which is what you were calling someone a name and when they
point that out you claim it is their fault for pointing it out.

@fmf said
I'm not sure that KellyJay realizes that, if he applies the same logic to himself that he applies to me, then he is NOT a Christian YET.

Not true; Christ has entered my life and turned me around from what I was to
something else. The problem you have is that you think it is only between the
ears of you and me that God has nothing to do with it all, which is the one point
I have been making to you. This is the anti-God part you are now playing that
says God isn't really in keeping His promises, that if we seek Him with all of our
hearts, we will find Him; you had a psychological notion, what you needed was
to be born again.

@kellyjay said
You consistently say we cannot
know Him, and you don't acknowledge Him, you deny it all, that is being anti.

Well, your notion of "knowing Him" is just a function of cognition.

As for Jesus's teaching, I find much to admire and I undoubtedly find my moral compass to be influenced by it. I have also welcomed your faith in Jesus in so far as it gives you solace and purpose and if it affects your moral compass positively and in the best interests of those around you.

To describe this as being an "Anti-Christ" seems a bit silly seeing as the label is neither here nor there - while it means you are wearing your complete and utter contempt for me on your sleeve in a way that is so meaningless ~ for reasons you must surely understand ~ that it can only be an exercise in vanity.

@kellyjay said
Not true; Christ has entered my life and turned me around from what I was to
something else. The problem you have is that you think it is only between the
ears of you and me that God has nothing to do with it all, which is the one point
I have been making to you.

The conviction that you hold that "God has [everything] to do with it all" is an article of your faith and is, as such, a function of your cognition or it comes from "between your ears" as you keep saying. I saw it the same way as you do when I had the same faith as you have.

@kellyjay said
This is the anti-God part you are now playing that
says God isn't really in keeping His promises, that if we seek Him with all of our
hearts, we will find Him; you had a psychological notion, what you needed was
to be born again.

I am no more anti-Christian God than I am an anti-Greek Gods or anti-Norse or anti-Roman Gods, or anti-Hindu Gods.

And I am certainly not anti- the notion of a creator entity. I just lack belief in the Christian mythology that I see as a product of anthropology and psychology a.k.a. culture.

This does not make me "anti-God" or an "Anti-Christ".

Save your silly technocratic ecclesiastical trash talk for some grotty little nook or cranny echo chamber of dark-muttering Christian believers seething about all the evil/enemy people out there, KellyJay.

@fmf said
The conviction that you hold that "God has [everything] to do with it all" is an article of your faith and is, as such, a function of your cognition or it comes from "between your ears" as you keep saying. I saw it the same way as you do when I had the same faith as you have.

So what? It isn't my thoughts but the reality of reality that we are talking about.
When you view the whole, there was a cause for everything! The cause for
everything means there is a right answer; therefore, all other notions about the
beginning are false or wrong. Having a perfect knowledge of the beginning does
not mean we cannot grasp something that cannot be right if they don't line up
with everything else we know is true. If you think it cannot be known, why bother
entering this discussion? You have nothing to offer except to say you have
nothing to offer.