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Originally posted by Proper Knobactually they cannot be corrected, the mind is far too complex, the best that can be hoped for is that the symptoms can be arrested. Its often been likened to an engine that over fires, or that the timing is slightly out, in that the mind produced electro chemical impulses rather too quickly or too slowly. Trying to map the zillions of synapses and connections and pinpointing specific nodes is technically impossible. You are correct dear Noobster, in a respect, although there have been moments towards the so called softer treatments, that is reasoning with persons, but it is, at least in my experience, impossible to engage rationally with some who suffers schizophrenia, because what they are experiencing is reality to them. The greatest tragedy is to blame the person, one must divorce the symptoms from the person, its not their fault.
I don't get the point.
Some forms of mental illness are caused by chemical imbalances in the brain, correct those and the person is fine. I don't see how being separated from God causes those imbalances, it's a material problem.
Secondly, if separation from God is the root of the problem in your eyes, it should follow that if a person reconnects t ...[text shortened]... g to God and adopting the spiritual life readjust the chemical imbalances in a persons brain?
As for the argument that separation from God is the result, you could rationally argue that since sin and thus imperfection ensued as a result of independence from God, sickness has spread to all of mankind as a consequence, but i dont think that's what Dasa and Karoly Poly had in mind. Even yet its not clear what they had in mind.
25 Mar 11
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieAs for the argument that separation from God is the result, you could rationally argue that since sin and thus imperfection ensued as a result of independence from God, sickness has spread to all of mankind as a consequence, but i dont think that's what Dasa and Karoly Poly had in mind. Even yet its not clear what they had in mind.
actually they cannot be corrected, the mind is far too complex, the best that can be hoped for is that the symptoms can be arrested. Its often been likened to an engine that over fires, or that the timing is slightly out, in that the mind produced electro chemical impulses rather too quickly or too slowly. Trying to map the zillions of synapses and ...[text shortened]... nk that's what Dasa and Karoly Poly had in mind. Even yet its not clear what they had in mind.
But then following your argument here; if we suppose that mental illness/retardation/.../etc... are a direct consequence from independence from some god then we still have the situation that some people suffer lesser degrees of mental impairment than others; and so the question can be asked as to where your god comes in to reconcile the imparity here, or otherwise we can neglect the god aspect altogether.
25 Mar 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI gave a short answer when a longer one was probably needed.
actually they cannot be corrected, the mind is far too complex, the best that can be hoped for is that the symptoms can be arrested. Its often been likened to an engine that over fires, or that the timing is slightly out, in that the mind produced electro chemical impulses rather too quickly or too slowly. Trying to map the zillions of synapses and ...[text shortened]... nk that's what Dasa and Karoly Poly had in mind. Even yet its not clear what they had in mind.
Corrected was the wrong word, managed is much better. I have a friend who has bi-polar disorder, without medication his behaviour is all over the place. With his daily dose of lithium he is a perfectly normal functioning member of society, he still has his ups and downs but not to the severity he would have if he stops taking his medication.
You are correct, that the lithium doesn't correct the problem that causes his bpd, that still remains, it smooths out the mood swings. What Dasa has yet to explain is how submitting to Vedic authority, following the spiritual life and reconnecting with God is going to physically restructure his brain so that his bpd will disappear.
Personally, i can't see it myself.
25 Mar 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieyou could rationally argue that since sin and thus imperfection ensued as a result of independence from God,
actually they cannot be corrected, the mind is far too complex, the best that can be hoped for is that the symptoms can be arrested. Its often been likened to an engine that over fires, or that the timing is slightly out, in that the mind produced electro chemical impulses rather too quickly or too slowly. Trying to map the zillions of synapses and ...[text shortened]... nk that's what Dasa and Karoly Poly had in mind. Even yet its not clear what they had in mind.
You could argue that, i wouldn't call it rational though.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobYou make a good point, but when I say all mental problems are stemming from the lack of spiritual living ......I am talking about the big picture.
I don't get the point.
Some forms of mental illness are caused by chemical imbalances in the brain, correct those and the person is fine. I don't see how being separated from God causes those imbalances, it's a material problem.
Secondly, if separation from God is the root of the problem in your eyes, it should follow that if a person reconnects t ...[text shortened]... g to God and adopting the spiritual life readjust the chemical imbalances in a persons brain?
A world that is governed by spiritual conscious leaders, and where there is spiritual education from birth, and where there is no such thing as a slaughter house or hotel, and where there is no drug taking of any type, and so on.........these people, in this type of world will not experience mental illness (there are exceptions to the rule).
For a person who has a chemical imbalance, if you could study their type of living for their entire life, and also 10 life-times in the past.......then you will see that by the way they lived their life, there is some things that contribute to why they now are experiencing a chemical imbalance in this present life.
People live in a world of pollution, intoxication, drugs, .....but there is something more insidious than these gross forms of ill health causes.
The fact that people do not have spiritual knowledge which causes them to change their psychophysical mental condition, is a major ill health cause that works silently behind the scene, causing mental anguish, anxiety, stress, confusion, depression and meaningless.
Put all these gross forms of ill health causing conditions together, with this lack of spiritual awareness.........and you set yourself up for having a body suffering from chemical imbalances in some way or another, at some point in time in this life or the next.
Even science can prove that the mental state that a person lives with......will have a direct affect on their body, and they have done experiments that thinking a certain way produces chemicals in the body of one kind or another.
Chemical imbalance occurs for reasons ......and the underlying reasons are karma driven, and karma is accrued from the explanation mentioned above.
25 Mar 11
Originally posted by Dasaall the bad things that happen to people is that they don't whorship Grod enough. With sufficient whorship, Grod may be persuaded to give you anything you want or need.
You make a good point, but when I say all mental problems are stemming from the lack of spiritual living ......I am talking about the big picture.
A world that is governed by spiritual conscious leaders, and where there is spiritual education from birth, and where there is no such thing as a slaughter house or hotel, and where there is no drug taking of any ...[text shortened]... underlying reasons are karma driven, and karma is accrued from the explanation mentioned above.
Go in the grace of Grod!
25 Mar 11
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Every cell in our bodies is replaced every 7 years, so the chemicals are also replaced in our bodies in a continuous cycle of replacement.
If the person has spiritual consciousness, the cells and chemicals will be replaced in their proper natural order..........but if they have material consciousness and if that material consciousness is gross, their cells and chemicals will be affected in the replacement process in a negative way.
25 Mar 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelMy patience has run out and I have stopped responding to FMF...........for he is untruthful in every respect, and it is impossible to discuss with persons who constantly create straw man arguments for their self amusement.
Dasa: I stand shoulder to shoulder with you on your view of this FMF situation. He repeatedly insists things which are clearly not true about me, oh (this is to you, dear FMF, let me change), you repeatedly insist things about me which are clearly not true. You have not responded to one postivive comment I've offered the forum (maybe with a few exceptio ...[text shortened]... raph.
I am quite pleased at the patience you have shown with dealing with this FMF character.
He is a master manipulator of threads.
25 Mar 11
Originally posted by Dasawhat about me, i have been waiting since yesterday for you to tell me why my name Robbie is incorrect and why stating that I am a human is also incorrect.
My patience has run out and I have stopped responding to FMF...........for he is untruthful in every respect, and it is impossible to discuss with persons who constantly create straw man arguments for their self amusement.
He is a master manipulator of threads.
25 Mar 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobiei had in mind just what I said, and I wish not to elaborate.
actually they cannot be corrected, the mind is far too complex, the best that can be hoped for is that the symptoms can be arrested. Its often been likened to an engine that over fires, or that the timing is slightly out, in that the mind produced electro chemical impulses rather too quickly or too slowly. Trying to map the zillions of synapses and ...[text shortened]... nk that's what Dasa and Karoly Poly had in mind. Even yet its not clear what they had in mind.