05 Aug 17
Originally posted by @wolfgang59Make a point pertaining to my OP, or get out of my thread.
You are a late 40's A-hole?
05 Aug 17
Murder is, by definition, the unjustified killing of others, in particular other people. So it is never "okay."
Killing other humans is of course sometimes justified, such as in self-defense and in (some) cases of abortion and euthanasia.
The Bible, which mandates that one should not murder, also mandates that one should perform killings which are generally considered murder (or worse) in modern legal systems, such as the killing of witches, honour killings and genocide.
05 Aug 17
Originally posted by @chaney3One who does not know how to kill with love has not studied human nature. I suggest you read Steinbeck's "Of Mice and Men", then come back and tell us about it.
When is murder okay?
Self defense? War?
When is abortion okay?
Rape victim? Saving the mother's life?
"Thou shalt not kill"
These days, abortion is a form of birth control, or part of women's 'rights'.
Originally posted by @chaney3Self defense and war are not murder.
When is murder okay?
Self defense? War?
When is abortion okay?
Rape victim? Saving the mother's life?
"Thou shalt not kill"
These days, abortion is a form of birth control, or part of women's 'rights'.
Neither is abortion. The overwhelming majority of abortions are performed before the fetus has attained viability outside the womb.
Something else abortion is not is birth control. This is a myth invented and perpetuated by men.
A woman necessarily must have full free will rights over her own body, just as men have, otherwise women remain subordinate and controlled by men. One might understand why men would want to control women and seek to restrict their rights by imposing their will upon them. Women must be free to throw off these unfair shackles restricting their own personhood. Women are independent human beings with free will, not property. This is NOT negotiable.
Originally posted by @suzianneHere is one place I completely disagree with you.
Self defense and war are not murder.
Neither is abortion. The overwhelming majority of abortions are performed before the fetus has attained viability outside the womb.
Something else abortion is not is birth control. This is a myth invented and perpetuated by men.
A woman necessarily must have full free will rights over her own body, just as me ...[text shortened]... hood. Women are independent human beings with free will, not property. This is NOT negotiable.
We are formed in mother's womb by God, our lives start in there.
Suggesting the word viability is a standard is also a none starter, the life is viable in its
natural state, within his or her mother. We would not kill a two year old because it couldn't
support itself with a job and live on its own.
Attempting to make this a male verses female issue for me is a non-starter too, since
it is also our children being killed within the mother's womb.
With rights there are responsibilities, and you are choosing the death of the innocent to
so you can go about your day as you'd like? God created you, formed you in your
mother's womb, and you are justifying the slaughter of millions.
You may not want to negotiate, but your choices will be make you accountable as all of
our choices in life are brought back to the one's making them.
I'm glad grace covers this too with so many taken in by these arguments.
05 Aug 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayAgain, it's understandable that men want to keep women down and control them.
Here is one place I completely disagree with you.
We are formed in mother's womb by God, our lives start in there.
Suggesting the word viability is a standard is also a none starter, the life is viable in its
natural state, within his or her mother. We would not kill a two year old because it couldn't
support itself with a job and live on its own.
Att ...[text shortened]... e one's making them.
I'm glad grace covers this too with so many taken in by these arguments.
They fear what they do not know.
We've had a patriarchy now for thousands of years. And look at our utter lack of success as a society. It seems that lately, despite technological advances, for every step forward we take two steps back as a civilization. Perhaps the time has come for a matriarchy. And that is what men are afraid of. So they chain us to the bed and to the stove.
05 Aug 17
Originally posted by @suzianneI beg to differ, this isn't a man vs woman issue it is an innocent life issue, attempting to
Again, it's understandable that men want to keep women down and control them.
They fear what they do not know.
We've had a patriarchy now for thousands of years. And look at our utter lack of success as a society. It seems that lately, despite technological advances, for every step forward we take two steps back as a civilization. Perhaps the time ...[text shortened]... matriarchy. And that is what men are afraid of. So they chain us to the bed and to the stove.
turn it into something else will not add to this discussion. There are plenty of places that is
true, but here a life is a stake, it isn't the father's, but from time to time could also be the
mother's, however every time it is the child's. When a woman is with child, we all know
what that means!
I think your vision of a matriarchy success by calling it a right to kill what is alive in the
womb is a very sad state of affairs. This is success to you, a grand achievement, one of
the highest powers and rights of a woman can do, control by killing? I think you need a
new scale for success, this is about as low as it can go, it isn't reaching higher.
05 Aug 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayWhy do you think the killing of "innocent [human] life" is morally wrong?
I beg to differ, this isn't a man vs woman issue it is an innocent life issue, attempting to
turn it into something else will not add to this discussion. There are plenty of places that is
true, but here a life is a stake, it isn't the father's, but from time to time could also be the
mother's, however every time it is the child's. When a woman is with ...[text shortened]... you need a
new scale for success, this is about as low as it can go, it isn't reaching higher.
05 Aug 17
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraExcept for those verses where *God* called for the killing of every Cannanite. Bit of hypocrisy there, eh.
Murder is, by definition, the unjustified killing of others, in particular other people. So it is never "okay."
Killing other humans is of course sometimes justified, such as in self-defense and in (some) cases of abortion and euthanasia.
The Bible, which mandates that one should not murder, also mandates that one should perform killings w ...[text shortened]... or worse) in modern legal systems, such as the killing of witches, honour killings and genocide.
05 Aug 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayRomans 6
Here is one place I completely disagree with you.
We are formed in mother's womb by God, our lives start in there.
Suggesting the word viability is a standard is also a none starter, the life is viable in its
natural state, within his or her mother. We would not kill a two year old because it couldn't
support itself with a job and live on its own.
Att ...[text shortened]... e one's making them.
I'm glad grace covers this too with so many taken in by these arguments.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
05 Aug 17
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraYes, you?
Why do you think the killing of "innocent [human] life" is morally wrong?
05 Aug 17
Originally posted by @moonbusMan's laws don't and those laws God applies to man don't either. Man doesn't create life,
... and Job's family, one might add. Evidently moral laws do not apply to God.
sustain it, for that matter even heal it. We may set a bone, but it isn't us healing the body.
So when God acts He does it as God not another man.