My Feb Awake! magazine just arrived.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Rob, i've copied the wording from the text word for word, how i can put a slant on that i don't know. The article only mentions the word 'love' twice, and both times in relation to God and parents, no mention of love and sex.

You state that as long as one wears a condom and engages in safe sex then this is acceptable, why this should be regarded as tinence is the utopian dream yes, but unfortunately we have to live in the real world.

then marriage is the solution then? it being better than so called 'safe sex'. 🙂

here is your statement dear Noobster

'The language used portrays the act of having sex as some sort of dark, seedy, dirty, inappropriate behaviour.'

this is a slant, for clearly it is an opinion, an interpretation, which i think is unkind, for we are free to enjoy sexual intimacy like anyone else, only within the bounds of marriage. Your statement may lead some to believe otherwise.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
putting the blinkers on? clearly you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about? a person is encouraged to get to know the other person in all types of settings, in company, on a one to one basis, how they deal with their parents etc etc, clearly you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about.

Secondly those countries w ...[text shortened]... your psychological argument then? yes, you had better get your broom out and start sweeping.

Secondly those countries who traditionally do not engage in pre marital sex, have the lowest divorce rates of any country globally in comparison to those who do

Evidence please Rob.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]Secondly those countries who traditionally do not engage in pre marital sex, have the lowest divorce rates of any country globally in comparison to those who do

Evidence please Rob.[/b]

India, lowest in the world where marriages are almost in all circumstances arranged through parents and where the prospective marital couples have not engaged in pre marital sex, please compare to liberal Sweden, the 'try before you buy', fallacy proposed by Karoly Poly

http://www.darndivorce.com/divorce-rates-around-the-world/

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
then marriage is the solution then? it being better than so called 'safe sex'. 🙂

here is your statement dear Noobster

'The language used portrays the act of having sex as some sort of dark, seedy, dirty, inappropriate behaviour.'

this is a slant, for clearly it is an opinion, an interpretation, which i think is unkind, for we are free to e ...[text shortened]... lse, only within the bounds of marriage. Your statement may lead some to believe otherwise.

But people may not wish to marry the first person they have sex with.

Did you marry the first person you had sex with?

Fair enough, i gave my own interpretation of the language used, but i think it is accurate. Would you say the language used in the article portayed sex in a positive or negative way?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
But people may not wish to marry the first person they have sex with.

Did you marry the first person you had sex with?

Fair enough, i gave my own interpretation of the language used, but i think it is accurate. Would you say the language used in the article portayed sex in a positive or negative way?

it portrays pre marital sex in a negative way. Please see the above statistics for the 'buy before you try', fallacy. Sex is only a part of life, we are always encouraged to make sure you marry the right person, that is not generally evaluated through performance in bed, but in getting to know the personality of the prospective marriage mate.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
putting the blinkers on? clearly you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about? a person is encouraged to get to know the other person in all types of settings, in company, on a one to one basis, how they deal with their parents etc etc, clearly you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about.

Secondly those countries w ...[text shortened]... your psychological argument then? yes, you had better get your broom out and start sweeping.

Getting married to someone you never made love with, sounds to me irrational and dangerous. What exactly two human beings are sharing when they are enjoying love? And what are the dangers that one enters in case one enjoys premarital sex?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
India, lowest in the world where marriages are almost in all circumstances arranged through parents and where the prospective marital couples have not engaged in pre marital sex, please compare to liberal Sweden, the 'try before you buy', fallacy proposed by Karoly Poly

http://www.darndivorce.com/divorce-rates-around-the-world/

India currnetly has an estimated 15million sex workers, 35% of those are under the age of 18yrs. I think it has the lowest divore rates for a reason.
Here's some more stats on good old 'wholesome' India for you to digest.

http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/india.htm

Originally posted by black beetle
Getting married to someone you never made love with, sounds to me irrational and dangerous. What exactly two human beings are sharing when they are enjoying love? And what are the dangers that one enters in case one enjoys premarital sex?
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see India above for the refutation. secondly we have not even touched upon the psychological effects, for only recently i was reading an article which stated that those girls who engage in it, may be more inclined towards depression and other negative feelings than those who do not, directly associated with their experience, but i cannot find it at present. Why is it to be preferred to than marriage?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
it portrays pre marital sex in a negative way. Please see the above statistics for the 'buy before you try', fallacy. Sex is only a part of life, we are always encouraged to make sure you marry the right person, that is not generally evaluated through performance in bed, but in getting to know the personality of the prospective marriage mate.

Had you had sex before you got married?

Did you succumb to any of the so called dangers?

And would you like to adress the text i provided that states there is overwhelming evidence in the US that when safe sex education was brought into schools teenage pregnancy rates fell. When those programs were replaced with religious abstinence based ones, pregnancy rates started to rise again.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
India currnetly has an estimated 15million sex workers, 35% of those are under the age of 18yrs. I think it has the lowest divore rates for a reason.
Here's some more stats on good old 'wholesome' India for you to digest.

http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/india.htm

yes i understand those, but you have evaded commenting upon why India should have the lowest divorce rate of anywhere whereas Sweden, the most liberal has the highest. how are we to understand this huge difference?; are the Indians simply better at hiding their marital infidelity? Hardly, seems to me that they are simply more committed and do not have the try before you buy attitude that has led many a marriage on the road to shipwreck.

“The overall association between premarital cohabitation and subsequent marital stability is striking,” states a report by the National Bureau of Economic Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts. “The dissolution rates of women who cohabit premaritally with their future spouse are, on average, nearly 80 percent higher than the rates of those who don’t.” The study included 4,996 Swedish women between 20 and 44 years of age, some of whom had lived with their mates before marriage and some of whom had not. Sweden’s rate of cohabitation before marriage is three times that of the United States. “It appears that people who cohabit premaritally are less committed to the institution and are more inclined to divorce than people who don’t live together,” said Neil Bennett, one of the report’s authors.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Had you had sex before you got married?

Did you succumb to any of the so called dangers?

yes i did, but then i was not a witness at the time. Its too late for me now i am happily married to a nice Punjabi girl, who was a virgin when we married and has no thought for anyone but me! Eastern women are awesome.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes i did, but then i was not a witness at the time. Its too late for me now i am happily married to a nice Punjabi girl, who was a virgin when we married and has no thought for anyone but me!

Did you suffer and 'dangers'?

And would you like to adress the text i provided that states there is overwhelming evidence in the US that when safe sex education was brought into schools teenage pregnancy rates fell. When those programs were replaced with religious abstinence based ones, pregnancy rates started to rise again.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes i understand those, but you have evaded commenting upon why India should have the lowest divorce rate of anywhere whereas Sweden, the most liberal has the highest. how are we to understand this huge difference?; are the Indians simply better at hiding their marital infidelity? Hardly, seems to me that they are simply more committed and do not h ...[text shortened]... to divorce than people who don’t live together,” said Neil Bennett, one of the report’s authors.

Has it ever occurred to you that this kind of serial monogamy is actually the 'natural' way? It is what people do when they ignore commandments from the mountaintops.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
India currnetly has an estimated 15million sex workers, 35% of those are under the age of 18yrs. I think it has the lowest divore rates for a reason.
Here's some more stats on good old 'wholesome' India for you to digest.

http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/india.htm

its really interesting Noobster, i read that article about two weeks ago, the very same one. it had a profound effect on me at the time and i was literally at the point of tears.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes i understand those, but you have evaded commenting upon why India should have the lowest divorce rate of anywhere whereas Sweden, the most liberal has the highest. how are we to understand this huge difference?; are the Indians simply better at hiding their marital infidelity? Hardly, seems to me that they are simply more committed and do not h ...[text shortened]... to divorce than people who don’t live together,” said Neil Bennett, one of the report’s authors.

The simple answer is that divorce in India is a taboo subject. To get divorced would make someone a social outcast.

Consider this statistic.

As many as 70 per cent of married women in India between the age of 15 and 49 are victims of beating, rape or coerced sex, the United Nation Population Fund report said.

http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=56501

That'll be your reason. To belive it's because they don't have pre marital sex is somewhat ludicrous.