My God, My God why have you forsaken me.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no silly, i mean the text of an article 😀

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You did not ask 'if', there is no 'if' in your statement, here is your statement quoted verbatim,

You agree with me then? - divesgeester

It contains no 'if 'and is an assumption, the assumption being that I agree with you. You were asked to refrain from assuming anything politely. There was no aggression. You have attempted to use these two ...[text shortened]... would be more than pleased if you left the thread for people that do want to discuss that topic.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Will you try to refrain from assuming anything. I have neither agreed nor disagreed with you, I have merely acknowledged your interpretation.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Will you try to refrain from assuming anything. I have neither agreed nor disagreed with you, I have merely acknowledged your interpretation.

Originally posted by divegeester
Do you agree with what I said? If not why not?

robbie, do you ever behave like this when someone asks you a question when you're on their doorstep?

But when it came to describing Jesus’ death scene itself, another text was particularly important: Psalm 22. In addition to showing how Jesus dies “according to the scriptures,” it also is an eloquent presentation of the suffering of an innocent one who suffers precisely because of his faithfulness to God’s will, and of someone who is ultimately vindicated by God.

To begin with, we should understand Jesus’ cry from the cross exactly as it stands. He makes his own the prayer of the psalmist, an innocent man who is suffering because of his fidelity to God’s will in his life. As I have already explained, these are not words of despair but an expression of faith.

http://www.americancatholic.org/Messenger/Apr2004/Feature1.asp

An interesting perspective which I read it correctly seeks to imply that Christs crying out with the words, 'My God, My God why have you forsaken me', as an act of faith rather than one of despair and felling abandoned. I am not entirely convinced by it although it is a plausible perspective. What is worthy to note is that many of these interpretations of Jesus state of mind are not explicitly derived from the verse or its context but rely a large degree on conjecture.

here is another interesting perspective from my own denomination.

Did Jesus’ words “my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” indicate a lack of faith on his part? No. While we cannot be sure of Jesus’ motives for saying this, his words may indicate that Jesus recognized that Jehovah had taken His protection away so that His Son’s integrity could be fully tested. It is also possible that Jesus said this because he wanted to fulfill what Psalm 22:1 foretold regarding him.—Matt. 27:46.

So it may well have been an act of faith after all.

The idea of withdrawing protection does of course have a precedent in scripture with God having removed his protection from Job in order that the Devil could not use it as a pretext against Jobs integrity. This is important for legalistic reasons, because Adam was of course a perfect man like Christ but failed to keep his integrity under test, whereas Christ also perfect proved that even under the most trying of circumstances a perfect man was able to keep his integrity. The implication is of course that Adam therefore deliberately transgressed and must be held accountable.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Lastly you are attempting to construct a false dilemma.

A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy that involves a situation in which only limited alternatives are considered, when in fact there is at least one additional option.

Originally posted by FMF
robbie, do you ever behave like this when someone asks you a question when you're on their doorstep?

Originally posted by divegeester
Is it just me who thinks robbie is being a little strange here...?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Here, as in, on Earth?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Here, as in, on Earth?

Originally posted by divegeester
I've notice how you sometimes like to give Robbie an "out" on occasions. As you can see it wins you points with him; shame they aren't worth anything except in devaluing your own RHP credibility.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Think of me as a pin sir...