My last posting............

Originally posted by galveston75
Well if I lump myself in with the JW's who have been persecuted what concern is that of yours? You don't know me at all and you certainly don't know what my past has been and what I may have or not have gone thru in my life as a Witness.
But I can promise you if you did you would think differently about my accusations of pesecution and knowing what it is and isn't...

Did you get hung upside down on a cross? Burned at a stake? Beheaded? Used by an Emperor as a lamp by being burned? Fed to lions? Just saying





Manny

Originally posted by menace71
Did you get hung upside down on a cross? Burned at a stake? Beheaded? Used by an Emperor as a lamp by being burned? Fed to lions? Just saying





Manny

So this is your limited idea of what persecution is? This is it?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Of course you are FMF and of course we realise that you were going on what you read,
never the less, what we state on an internet forum is only half the picture and the
Gman has intimated in private and to a lesser extent publicly that he has health
issues. Is it fair to align his treatment with that of those who have faced persecution
in th ...[text shortened]... ate we have been
singled out by certain users, in fact, so much so that t became a forum joke.

Is it fair to align his treatment with that of those who have faced persecution in the past, yes i think it is

Oh dear. 😞

Originally posted by galveston75
Well if I lump myself in with the JW's who have been persecuted what concern is that of yours?

What concern is it of mine? I am commenting on a claim you made about yourself and how you cope with disagreement on a public forum. If you think it is proportional to compare fellow posters disagreeing with you and being rude to you, with the "well documented" persecution of JWs e.g. being incarcerated and beaten for refusal to take part in military campaign or being murdered alongside Jews, gays and communists etc. simply for being who they were, then I think your self-pity is worthy of comment, not least for being an almost astonishing example of playing of the victim card.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]Is it fair to align his treatment with that of those who have faced persecution in the past, yes i think it is

Oh dear. 😞[/b]

yes it is rather sad that in this day and age, I agree. Perhaps you may even make
reference to any or all of the reasons that i provided, we live in hope.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes it is rather sad that in this day and age, I agree. Perhaps you may even make
reference to any or all of the reasons that i provided, we live in hope.

But robbie, "...the reasons [you] provided" bear no relation to the "well documented" historical record of JWs "being incarcerated and beaten for refusal to take part in military campaigns or being murdered alongside Jews, gays and communists" etc. etc.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes it is rather sad that in this day and age, I agree. Perhaps you may even make
reference to any or all of the reasons that i provided, we live in hope.

Thinking that heated disagreements on an internet chess website 'align' with the murder of innocent civilians is fankly utterly bonkers, in fact i find the idea distatseful. As i've pointed out to him, he falls out with people because he is extremely arrogant, patronising and condescending.

Originally posted by FMF
But robbie, "...the reasons [you] provided" bear no relation to the "well documented" historical record of JWs "being incarcerated and beaten for refusal to take part in military campaigns or being murdered alongside Jews, gays and communists" etc. etc.

of course they do, they differ only in degree of severity (my third point), bullying at
school does not hold the same degree of severity as the Columbine school massacre,
but they amount to the same thing, persecution. To diminish one over the other is a
nonsense, as you have attempted to do, why? because persecution takes many forms
and has many degrees, to view it in the one dimensional way that you have is limiting
and unworthy of an artist of your calibre FMF, widen out.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Thinking that heated disagreements on an internet chess website 'align' with the murder of innocent civilians is fankly utterly bonkers, in fact i find the idea distatseful. As i've pointed out to him, he falls out with people because he is extremely arrogant, patronising and condescending.

my trusty feer and drouthy drinking buddy, you will note point three of my excellent
treatise of the subject, persecution differs in degree. Of course killing someone is
not the same as bullying them, never the less, both belong to the same category,
persecution. To diminish one over the other because they differ in degree is in my
opinion a nonsense. Is a goldfish not a fish because it differs in size to Bluefin Tuna?
Of course not, so lets be reasonable, persecution takes many forms and varies
immensely in degree of severity. I have never found the Gman arrogant,
condescending nor patronising, he seemed to me to be battling a pack mentality and
when we are not at our best, tired and feeling pressure, sometimes we say things
out of character, its then, that we recognise our own selves, having done the same
thing and rather than criticize, we empathise, or should, lest we forget about our
own idiosyncrasies and imperfections!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
my trusty feer and drouthy drinking buddy, you will note point three of my excellent
treatise of the subject, persecution differs in degree. Of course killing someone is
not the same as bullying them, never the less, both belong to the same category of
persecution, to diminish one over the other because they differ in degree is in my
opinion ...[text shortened]... icize, we empathise, or should, lest we forget about our
own idiosyncrasies and imperfections!

I'm putting it into perspective, not diminishing it. He gets flack, of that there is no doubt, the question is why?

I have never found the Gman arrogant, condescending nor patronising

Of course you haven't, he's a Borg like you and a member of the 'collective'. In my years i've been on this website and forum, in fact any forum on the internet i've visited, he is by far the most arrogant, patronising and condescending person i have come across. I get the impression that i'm not alone thinking this.

He's not being bullied or persecuted, let's get a grip here.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I'm putting it into perspective, not diminishing it. He gets flack, of that there is no doubt, the question is why?

[b]I have never found the Gman arrogant, condescending nor patronising

Of course you haven't, he's a Borg like you and a member of the 'collective'. In my years i've been on this website and forum, in fact any forum on the inter t alone thinking this.

He's not being bullied or persecuted, let's get a grip here.[/b]

Of course you haven't, he's a Borg like you and a member of the 'collective',

sigh, we prefer to call it the worldwide brotherhood of Jehovahs Witnesses and as for
your assertion, I cannot find any basis to support it, on the contrary, i find him a
southern gentleman of the highest character.

I say he is and i provided three lines of reasoning as to why, the number of threads
directed specifically against JW's despite there being only two out of all the forum
contributors, disproportionate to say the least, can you explain this in any other
terms other than bullying? and persistent attacks and expressions of hatred against
JW's from Raj and Manny and Jaywill and RJBlind, how are we to account for this
disproportionate 'ganging up' in any other terms other than bullying?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
of course they do, they differ only in degree of severity (my third point), bullying at
school does not hold the same degree of severity as the Columbine school massacre,
but they amount to the same thing, persecution. To diminish one over the other is a
nonsense, as you have attempted to do, why? because persecution takes many forms
and ha ...[text shortened]... sional way that you have is limiting
and unworthy of an artist of your calibre FMF, widen out.

You will never again be able to credibly talk about the "well documented" persecution that JWs have suffered in the past, robbie. You have decided to use up your credibility defending the rather hapless galveston75 when he made his claims equating the consequences of his own inability to advocate his belief system with being a victim of 'persecution'. In a way your loyalty to him is touching. But you have paid a price demonstrating it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Of course you haven't, he's a Borg like you and a member of the 'collective',

sigh, we prefer to call it the worldwide brotherhood of Jehovahs Witnesses and as for
your assertion, I cannot find any basis to support it, on the contrary, i find him a
southern gentleman of the highest character.

I say he is and i provided three lines of reaso ...[text shortened]... account for this
disproportionate 'ganging up' in any other terms other than bullying?

i find him a southern gentleman of the highest character.

Of course you do. You've never disagreed with him and are never likely to. It's quite evident from his signing off post that he sees himself as some sort of 'guru', you and the 'guru' are on the same page so have never been on the receiving end of him talking down at you.

can you explain this in any other terms other than bullying?

You belong to a minority Christian sect that has some major deviations from the doctrine of 'mainstream' Christianity. The trinity being one of them, it's quite apparent that a lot of Christians on this site feel very strongly about that. Before you start banging on about it, i don't give a monkey's who's right and who's wrong. This is the reason there are numerous posts directed at you.

Originally posted by FMF
You will never again be able to credibly talk about the "well documented" persecution that JWs have suffered in the past, robbie. You have decided to use up your credibility defending the rather hapless galveston75 when he made his claims equating the consequences of his own inability to advocate his belief system with being a victim of 'persecution'. In a way your loyalty to him is touching. But you have paid a price demonstrating it.

wow thats rather dramatic even for you FMF, as for my credibility, pah, i have no credit
rating and desire none, indeed, what is a diamond worth in comparison to a glass of
cool water when one is in the desert? No worries and no regrets.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
find him a southern gentleman of the highest character.

Of course you do. You've never disagreed with him and are never likely to. It's quite evident from his signing off post that he sees himself as some sort of 'guru', you and the 'guru' are on the same page so have never been on the receiving end of him talking down at you.

can you e right and who's wrong. This is the reason there are numerous posts directed at you

A guru? dude the Gman was under pressure, have you never said anything that was
emotionally charged because you were feeling it? we all have and need to just cut
each other some slack, I've said much worse things than the Gman and have way less
patience, but sometimes we just allow ourselves to be provoked, dont you think?

A minority or not, we have been accused of committing murders, allowing children to
die, inciting young people to martyrdom, of being dishonest and greedy and
distributing literature for money, of harbouring paedophiles etc etc, none of which has
anything to do with the trinity, does that not strike you as rather strange that no other
group has come under such criticism yet they have committed much greater atrocity in
a single year than we have in our entire history? it does to me.