No Man's Opinion is Expressed in The Watchtower

Originally posted by FMF
BUMP for galveston75

Actually, I think your problem here is not that I "can't understand" but that I in fact understand you all too well.

At one point in our discussion about the comparison between the bible and the JW materials you talked about "God [being able to]cause a human to write on paper what he wants other humans to read," which cannot be explai ...[text shortened]... ned away by claiming the word "guides" would have been better than "inspires".

I personally can go with either word. Like that?

Originally posted by galveston75
I personally can go with either word. Like that?

You have to do rather more than just fiddle around with the words 'inspire' and 'guide' to change the fundamental premise of what you said in this exchange back in April.

galveston75: God does not need to use anything we may print to teach ones who are wanting to learn. But he does and we take advantage of it like most other religions of the world. Why do you have such a probelem with that issue or can you not comprehend God's ability to teach by any means possible including printed liturature??

FMF: "Is it your view that the people who write "The Watchtower" and Awake!" are instrumental in proving "God's ability to teach"?"

galveston75: Yes you don't seem to understand that the printed page can be used as one of God's avenues to teach. It's been done since the ten commandments. All the bible writters were used by God to write the Bible. So since he has used humans before, why can't he use them now?

FMF: "Are you saying that the employees of the JW organisation who write The Watchtower and Awake! are divinely inspired in the same way you believe the bible's writers were?"

galveston75: Yes we do. What they are used for is not to write another Bible but God inspired bible aids. God has always used humans in one form or another to bring us God's thoughts and guidelines.

FMF: "Do you think the writings of all members of the JW organisation are divinely inspired in the same way as The Watchtower/Holy Bible are?"

galveston75: I'm not inspired to write anything and have never claimed such a blessing. And no not all are inspired to write but if Jehovah chose anyone else to, that would be his descision, not yours or mine. Just as in the past with the writing of the Bible he chose only a few to write what he wanted, so what is the problem with only a few writing what he wants today? Do you not think God can cause a human to write on paper what he wants other humans to read, and for that to be accurate and in accord with the Bible? If no, why not?

Originally posted by FMF
You have to do rather more than just fiddle around with the words 'inspire' and 'guide' to change the fundamental premise of what you said in this exchange back in April.

galveston75: [b]God does not need to use anything we may print to teach ones who are wanting to learn. But he does and we take advantage of it like most other religions of the world. Why do ...[text shortened]... or that to be accurate and in accord with the Bible? If no, why not?[/b]

I'm not being rude. I have a feeling you have more then average intellagence, maybe, but seriously? This has been answered in every way possible to you. If you haven't got it by now, apparently you won't.
But...I believe you do get it and your trying all you can to irritate and to trip us up. I may not be the sharpest kid around but no more of this foolishness. Go find something else to do as I will not answer anymore of your rambling post..............................

Originally posted by galveston75
I'm not being rude. I have a feeling you have more then average intellagence, maybe, but seriously?.

Yes, seriously. Do you stand by what you said in the exchange quoted verbatim above, or do you retract it?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
where is the quotation, you have been asked by the Gman and me to produce it for even if the Gman has made the mistake of claiming inspiration for the watchtower, he will retract it...

We shall see if he retracts it or not.

Originally posted by FMF
Yes, seriously. Do you stand by what you said in the exchange quoted verbatim above, or do you retract it?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by FMF
We shall see if he retracts it or not.

I seem to remember that he has retracted it already. That is the reason they can make all those false prophecies and get away with it.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I seem to remember that he has retracted it already.

On page 2 of this thread he said he "will absolutley not retract" it.

Originally posted by FMF
On page 2 of this thread he said he "will absolutley not retract" it.

Perhaps it was on the other thread on 1914.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
claiming that the Lord is using the watchtower is not a claim of inspiration, a rather fatal
and fundamental flaw in your attempt to state otherwise, if you have any evidence of
claims of inspiration, then let it be known, so far you have produced nothing. Claiming
that it contains no man's opinion is also not a claim of inspiration, if you ha ...[text shortened]... )”
—February 15, 1981, page 19.


your comments on the highlighted text, if you please.[/b]

How can you claim to be "the sole holders of God's truth of earth" and state that Awake has "Jehovah's spirit" and at the same time it NOT be "inspired", it BE fallible and it make claims which over time prove to be errors.

This is contradiction, compromise and a deeply erroneous mind-set within the organisation, resulting in publication errors by the Governing Body that can only be interpreted as 'false prophesy'. It's time the JW laity, those who want to seek the Lord in spirit and in truth, stood up and demanded truth and freedom from this manipulative and sometimes oppressive cult.

Originally posted by FMF
On page 2 of this thread he said he "will absolutley not retract" it.

more petty squabbling FMF, you are doing yourself no favours by engaging in it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
more petty squabbling FMF, you are doing yourself no favours by engaging in it.

galveston75 has suggested that the writing of The Watchtower can be compared to the writing of the ten commandments and, in our discussion about JW's "printred materials", he's talked of how "God can cause a human to write on paper what he wants other humans to read". You, on the other hand, have suggested The Watchtower is not "God inspired". This discrepancy could hardly be more fundamental in terms of what you and galveston75 claim your organization's legitimacy rests upon. This certainly cannot be described as "petty squabbling". The fact that you keep repeating that characterization rather than address what is being said, suggests that you know all too that there is something here that galveston75 really ought to address, but you just don't want to admit it.

Originally posted by FMF
galveston75 has suggested that the writing of The Watchtower can be compared to the writing of the ten commandments and, in our discussion about JW's "printred materials", he's talked of how "God can cause a human to write on paper what he wants other humans to read". You, on the other hand, have suggested The Watchtower is not "God inspired". This discrepancy c ...[text shortened]... here that galveston75 really ought to address, but you just don't want to admit it.

haha, the legitimacy of our organisation rests upon what I and the Gman claim,
muhahahaha, I have posted numerous excerpts detailing our stance, you continue to
squabble FMF, i hope you get what you came for.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
haha, the legitimacy of our organisation rests upon what I and the Gman claim,
muhahahaha, I have posted numerous excerpts detailing our stance, you continue to
squabble FMF, i hope you get what you came for.

You continue to ignore the verbatim quotes from galveston75 posted further up this page, and instead try to deflect. People will wonder why.

Originally posted by FMF
You continue to ignore the verbatim quotes from galveston75 posted further up this page, and instead try to deflect. People will wonder why.

I have detailed our stance, providing reference where necessary in a clear and explicit
manner, you continue to squabble, my work is done here.