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19 Jan 14
22 Jan 14
Originally posted by sonhouseI don't believe in uniformitarianism.
As it turns out, WE know how high the mountains are, were, and will be.
Everest is 29K feet high, was a million years ago and will be around that a million years from now.
Your fairy tale just gets weaker and weaker as time goes on.
How can you believe in such utter rot?
Originally posted by SwissGambitThis is hilarious, atheists still using their own comic book version of the Noahs ark story. Have you forgotten how many land animals today are the result of speciation, or do you believe that any argument from incredulity* is able to carry you to victory?
Noah's Ark is my litmus test for whether I take a theist seriously on science. I think you have to be insane to think that could really have happened.
Forget about all the millions of species in a ridiculously small space and the boat being too big to be seaworthy if it could hold the animals and carnivores not eating meat for years. I'm stuck on the ...[text shortened]... esert. Nope, sorry, this story has gigantic neon lights flashing "BS! BS!" when taken literally.
There are childrens picture books, those designed for 4 and 5 year olds, showing elephants and giraffes and other well known animals peering over the side of a ridiculously small boat. Is this where you've been getting your information?
How is it you can rely so heavily on science, and then ignore that same science when 'disputing' the possibility of getting enough genetic material to fit into a relatively small space? Have there always been penguins and lions, or elephants and horses and giraffes? Has the climate and geography of earth always looked like it does today? Sorry, but your argument has its own giant neon lights flashing "BS! BS!" You'll have to do better than to argue against childrens picture book stories, because that's essentially what you are doing.
*argument from incredulity... look it up.
Edit: By the way, scale models of Noahs ark have been built and tested in wave chambers, and as it turns out the dimensions make it very sea worthy. In spite of ridiculously high and violent waves generated in the wave chamber they couldn't get the boat to tip over. Most of the weight inside Noahs' ark would rest in the bottom 2/3 thirds, so that would also factor into making the boat very stable and virtually untippable.
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Originally posted by lemon limeYou are arguing out your ass. There was no WORLD WIDE flood. EVER. PERIOD.
This is hilarious, atheists still using their own comic book version of the Noahs ark story. Have you forgotten how many land animals today are the result of speciation, or do you believe that any argument from incredulity* is able to carry you to victory?
There are childrens picture books, those designed for 4 and 5 year olds, showing el ...[text shortened]... 2/3 thirds, so that would also factor into making the boat very stable and virtually untippable.
The closest Earth ever came to that was about 700 million years ago, when ice covered probably 90% of Earth, the so-called 'snowball Earth'. And it stayed that way for a few million years till volcanic activity shook it out of its doldrums.
You think your argument is so solid but it is WRITHING with pathetic fairy tale nonsense.
For instance, it was supposed to cover all the mountains of Earth.
Now we know there was big time flooding in Canada at the end of the last ice age, some 22,000 years ago and that caused the formation of lakes MUCH larger than the Great Lakes all combined.
THAT water eventually drained out, probably took thousands of years but it mostly all of it ended up as the Oglala aquifer.
Google it if you don't believe me.
Too bad for the dust bowl era in the US, they had all the water they could ever use right underneath their feet, they found that out a bit too late. Now of course they have almost drained the biggest reserve of fresh water in the entire US.
So this so-called flood covered all the mountains to a depth of 15 cubits? That would equate to about 3 to 6 inches of rain PER MINUTE for 40 solid days.
Get serious.
For one thing, your SO-CALLED god destroys almost all the animals on Earth just to off a crowd of nasty humans?
SURE, that could happen. In a pigs ass it could. So this so-called god of yours waves its magic hands and all the life on Earth bursts forth in a 6 day belching of new life forms.
Besides the fact that is just a paved over much more ancient Egyptian fairy tale, 6 day creation story, this supposed god who creates all of that and announces it good (To WHOM, may I ask?) and therefore likes what it created.
So a few thou later, it sees this little nasty crowd of humans having WAY too much fun, decides to off them, tells Noah, HOW LONG CAN YOU TREAD WATER? Build this Ark, make it blah blah blah dimensions and so forth.
So this god decides to off EVERY land animal except a few that ends up on the Ark to get to a few humans having way too much fun?
Exactly what kind of frigging INSANE god would do that?
The answer is NO GOD WOULD EVER DESTROY ITS OWN CREATION TO GET BACK AT A BUNCH OF HUMANS WHEN IT COULD JUST AS EASILY GO "WHAM" and 10,000 nasty humans having WAY too much fun are just fried bacon style, crispy, instantly, with laser like precision.
That stupid story has taken in WAY too many really gullible people.
It REALLY shows just how intelligent most of humanity is if they can be taken in by such patent nonsense.
An apocryphal tale, sure, be good or the boogie man will get you.
THAT IS ALL PEOPLE SHOULD TAKE FROM THAT STORY.
To believe otherwise betrays the absolute brainwashing of billions of poor deluded folk who take such tales literally.
And now, of course, now you pull the 'so now you are an expert on God', "so now you know the mind of God' card.
A pathetic argument.
Originally posted by sonhouseA uniform layer of sediment has been found to exist in all parts of the world. This doesn't mean the exact same kind of sediment couldn't have been uniformly laid down during different times in history... unlikely, but in your world view I suppose it's possible.
You are arguing out your ass. There was no WORLD WIDE flood. EVER. PERIOD.
The closest Earth ever came to that was about 700 million years ago, when ice covered probably 90% of Earth, the so-called 'snowball Earth'. And it stayed that way for a few million years till volcanic activity shook it out of its doldrums.
You think your argument is so solid but ...[text shortened]... o now you are an expert on God', "so now you know the mind of God' card.
A pathetic argument.
Or how about this, a tree was found buried (uprooted but in an upright position) under layers of sediment that had been laid down over a period of thousands of years. Of course, this would mean uprooted trees could live for several thousand years while being slowly buried by layers of sediment... or maybe it just refused to rot as it was being buried, who knows? Science knows, that's who!
Seriously though, how stupid do you think the average person is?
28 Jan 14
Originally posted by sonhouseYou obviously don't know the scientific fact that water seeks its own level. So a flood on one side of the world that covers mountains can't help from covering mountains on the other side. Thus it is a worldwide flood.
You are arguing out your ass. There was no WORLD WIDE flood. EVER. PERIOD.
The closest Earth ever came to that was about 700 million years ago, when ice covered probably 90% of Earth, the so-called 'snowball Earth'. And it stayed that way for a few million years till volcanic activity shook it out of its doldrums.
You think your argument is so solid but ...[text shortened]... now you are an expert on God', "so now you know the mind of God' card.
A pathetic argument.P
28 Jan 14
Originally posted by menace71If one has eyes that see, all one has to do is look and one can see where all the water is.
In defense of the flood it (The Bible) is also said that water came from inside or underneath the earth not just from the sky. However these questions of where did all the water come from and where did it go are very legit
Manny
Originally posted by lemon limeSo what if there are incidents of trees like you say, that is not even CLOSE to being evidence for some kind of world wide flood.
A uniform layer of sediment has been found to exist in all parts of the world. This doesn't mean the exact same kind of sediment couldn't have been uniformly laid down during different times in history... unlikely, but in your world view I suppose it's possible.
Or how about this, a tree was found buried (uprooted but in an upright position) under laye ...[text shortened]... ? Science knows, that's who!
Seriously though, how stupid do you think the average person is?
OF COURSE there were, are, and will be floods, some major ones.
There is no scientific evidence for some kind of world wide event however.
And of course there are world wide layers of sediment, for instance, there is a thin layer of iridium from 65 million years ago, that coincides with the extinction of the dinosaurs, probably not the death knell because there was worldwide massive volcanism going on at the same time so it was probably the two things going on that did in the Dino's, who we now know survived maybe a couple million years after that but their time was definitely over.
That iridium layer has been found at the same depth or point in time all over the planet, for instance, the debris from the asteroid that hit the Yucatan layered 700 feet deep in BURMUDA, couple thousand miles away.
You can't have an incident like that without world wide consequences and the evidence is everywhere on the planet.
There is no such world wide layer of residue of the same kind from whatever fairy tale time frame they talk about, 5,000 years ago or whatever.
There are people who make their money on conspiracy theories, like the moon landing hoaxers and the people putting together those youtube video's are from the same family of nutters, layer upon layer of pseudo scientific nonsense that has been refuted over and over again, yet this idiots with a political ax to grind keep coming up with the same tired arguments over and over again like a skin cancer. Anyone who believes their nonsense should take a course in REAL science like geology or something, perhaps they would have second thoughts as to the veracity of such fairy tales.
It makes me feel sorry for the supposed intelligence of the human race to be taken in by these charlatans over and over and over again.
They all have a political ax to grind, an agenda to force creationism to be taught in science classes and preferably to knock evolution out of schools entirely.
That is the long and short of it. ALL those so-called scientific video's have that as the ultimate goal.
28 Jan 14
Originally posted by RJHindsJust food for thought...but these all say the ark had a pointed front end or even both ends were pointed.
Noah's Ark Documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPRo7Q-7yQQ
Why the need for that in this design? Was it powered by a motor, or sails? Or was it to be just a floating ark designed by God to preserve life?
Is a pointed eneded design more stable then a square ended design? Did god say in the description to Noah to build it with pointed ends?
28 Jan 14
Originally posted by galveston75Maybe they had all the dinosaurs trained to use oars.
Just food for thought...but these all say the ark had a pointed front end or even both ends were pointed.
Why the need for that in this design? Was it powered by a motor, or sails? Or was it to be just a floating ark designed by God to preserve life?
Is a pointed eneded design more stable then a square ended design? Did god say in the description to Noah to build it with pointed ends?
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28 Jan 14
Originally posted by sonhouseYou have no idea how profound a writing the Bible is.
Well, 40 days just means 6 inches of water per minute instead of 3. There wouldn't be much left of mountains, certainly not the soil if there was so much rain.
I deliberately said 80 days to be able to double the number🙂
How can people look at figures like that and go, TOTALLY REAL?
Yes, it makes the ENTIRE bible suspect. Lot's wife turning into salt ...[text shortened]... From your tone of voice I gather you don't believe in the flood fairy tale either. Good for you.
You only seem to see curiosities on the surface as unbelievable novelties.
I may give you an example from the account of Noah's ark, latter.
28 Jan 14
Originally posted by sonshipProfound does not mean godly. Profound means human intelligence at its best.
You have no idea how profound a writing the Bible is.
You only seem to see curiosities on the surface as unbelievable novelties.
I may give you an example from the account of Noah's ark, latter.
Einstein is profound, that does not mean he was inspired by god.
Mozart was profound, same thing.
Just writing profound books just means profound gifts not inspiration from a god.
28 Jan 14
Originally posted by lemon lime"A uniform layer of sediment has been found to exist in all parts of the world."
A uniform layer of sediment has been found to exist in all parts of the world. This doesn't mean the exact same kind of sediment couldn't have been uniformly laid down during different times in history... unlikely, but in your world view I suppose it's possible.
Or how about this, a tree was found buried (uprooted but in an upright position) under laye ...[text shortened]... ? Science knows, that's who!
Seriously though, how stupid do you think the average person is?
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"Or how about this, a tree was found buried (uprooted but in an upright position) under layers of sediment that had been laid down over a period of thousands of years."
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"Seriously though, how stupid do you think the average person is?"
the average person who believes in a young earth? very stupid. as is the non-average person who believes in a young earth.
in fact, if you had access to the internet or a public library at any point in your life and you still believe in a young earth, incredibly stupid.